Trump Approved "Christianity"

Tranquillus in Exile said:
Are these people lying?

"The concept of biblical first fruits is real, but as I read your article I can't help but feel as though you're being manipulative. Laying the foundation for first fruits and then launching into a 'financial seed' campaign seems to be a misuse/abuse of the biblical intention," Christian mom Heather Norton told White on Twitter Tuesday morning.

CompellingTruth.org, an outreach effort by a group of trained Christian experts at Got Questions Ministries, agrees. While some preachers today use the concept to encourage their parishioners to give an offering above and beyond tithing, the Bible does not support it as a requirement for Christians.

"The ways in which churches use the phrase (and the practice) vary in theological truth. To say that 'laying down a seed' so that God will make someone rich, or that you can pay off God to bless future plans, is an abusive lie from adherents of the prosperity gospel ... To give an offering in thanks that God provided is perfectly acceptable. But if a church wants to have a period of fund-raising, it would be better to have a specific purpose and not just try to spiritualize the desire to have more capital in the bank," they further explain.

https://www.christianpost.com/news/...st-fruits-offering-up-to-1-months-pay-212716/
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They can be as confused as you are, seeing as how you don't have a monopoly on it. :D
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Here, maybe this will help. It's a screenshot I just got from her very own Paula White the Charlatan web site. ( https://paulawhite.org/firstfruits )

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We've already been over this. Why would it help? Help what?
 
countryboy said:
We've already been over this. Why would it help? Help what?
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You keep denying that she stated that if you don't do the stupid fruits thing, "there are consequences." She doesn't, of course, tell us that the consequences mean that her BMW M5 will be repo'd. lol
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You keep denying that she stated that if you don't do the stupid fruits thing, "there are consequences." She doesn't, of course, tell us that the consequences mean that her BMW M5 will be repo'd. lol
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I'm not denying shit, you people are claiming something that's not true. As I said, I don't like her either, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna climb aboard the bash Paula lie train.

There are plenty of legit reasons to criticize her, this ain't one of them. ALL ministries fund raise.
 
countryboy said:
I'm not denying shit, you people are claiming something that's not true. As I said, I don't like her either, but that doesn't mean I'm gonna climb aboard the bash Paula lie train.

There are plenty of legit reasons to criticize her, this ain't one of them. ALL ministries fund raise.
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I hope that you'll tell me what it is that I -- as one of the "you people" in your sentence -- am claiming that is not true. I have claimed and proven that 1) she is affiliated with Trump and is seen as his "informal advisor," and 2) that she pushes this crock-of-shit first fruits thing with a "there are consequences" threat if the sheeple don't go along with it. So what other claim did I make that you think is false?

Of course all ministries/churches fund-raise. Most of them, however, are honest enough to tell their parishioners why and what for. They do not promise that God is going to heap wealth on their heads if they donate to make a rich huckster even richer. Aka White and Joel Osteen, and all the others before them. Pretty sweet racket they got going... millions of tax-free dollars of income every year.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I hope that you'll tell me what it is that I -- as one of the "you people" in your sentence -- am claiming that is not true. I have claimed and proven that 1) she is affiliated with Trump and is seen as his "informal advisor," and 2) that she pushes this crock-of-shit first fruits thing with a "there are consequences" threat if the sheeple don't go along with it. So what other claim did I make that you think is false?

Of course all ministries/churches fund-raise. Most of them, however, are honest enough to tell their parishioners why and what for. They do not promise that God is going to heap wealth on their heads if they donate to make a rich huckster even richer. Aka White and Joel Osteen, and all the others before them. Pretty sweet racket they got going... millions of tax-free dollars of income every year.
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Yes, you are one of the "you people", and have not proven a thing. I've already posted the original claim from the OP at least three times in this thread, I'm not going to post it again. If it makes you feel better to go with the lie, that's your business. :dunno:

BTW, I don't really care if she is Trump's spiritual advisor, I never said she wasn't.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
More diversionary bullshit.

Go to:

https://paulawhite.org/firstfruits

Her warning of consequences is right at the end of the first paragraph.

Of course, I don't really expect you to check and confirm my claim when you can just keep lying about the facts like today's phony Christians do to justify their actions.
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“The principle of FIRSTFRUITS is all about honoring God by putting Him first IN EVERYTHING. The reason is God lays claim to all firsts. So when you keep for yourself something that belongs to God you are desecrating what is to be consecrated to God. It reminds me of Joshua chapter 7, “But the people of Israel broke faith in regard to the devoted things, for Achan took some of the devoted things. And the anger of the Lord burned against Israel.”
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You keep denying that she stated that if you don't do the stupid fruits thing, "there are consequences." She doesn't, of course, tell us that the consequences mean that her BMW M5 will be repo'd. lol
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listen.....this may be complicated, but please pay attention.....does she say there will be consequences if people don't send her money?........if she isn't saying that you are lying out of your ass.......
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I hope that you'll tell me what it is that I -- as one of the "you people" in your sentence -- am claiming that is not true. I have claimed and proven that 1) she is affiliated with Trump and is seen as his "informal advisor," and 2) that she pushes this crock-of-shit first fruits thing with a "there are consequences" threat if the sheeple don't go along with it. So what other claim did I make that you think is false?

Of course all ministries/churches fund-raise. Most of them, however, are honest enough to tell their parishioners why and what for. They do not promise that God is going to heap wealth on their heads if they donate to make a rich huckster even richer. Aka White and Joel Osteen, and all the others before them. Pretty sweet racket they got going... millions of tax-free dollars of income every year.
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don't pretend you are not aware of what it is you are claiming that isn't true.......its not that big of a sentence, and if there are parts of it which don't show up in your quotes it should be obvious to any rational person.......
 
countryboy said:
Look, I'm no fan of this "pastor", but you're just lying about what she said. Period, end of story. No amount of twisting her words, or posting partial quotes will change that. Try the truth, it'll set you free.;)
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Except he isn't lying.

Why do you refuse to just click the link and check it out for yourself?

ZappasGuitar said:
Go to: https://paulawhite.org/firstfruits

Her warning of consequences is right at the end of the first paragraph.
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It's right there for everyone to see.
 
countryboy said:
Yes, you are one of the "you people", and have not proven a thing. I've already posted the original claim from the OP at least three times in this thread, I'm not going to post it again. If it makes you feel better to go with the lie, that's your business. :dunno:

BTW, I don't really care if she is Trump's spiritual advisor, I never said she wasn't.
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What a surprise.

You get asked to prove your claim and you refuse to deliver!
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
Er, yeah ... in the French National Assembly of 1789, supporters of the King and his Divine Right sat on the right, while supporters of the revolution sat on the left. Am I right?
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And...your point? Is it the fact that the United States of America has existed for almost 250 years while being governed by a conservative 8 page document that was drafted to reflect the Judeo-Christian precepts that govern the 3 basic principals of separating power in relation to the individual rights of freedom and property ownership....while nations like you mentioned in EUROPE were questing for social justice by instigating "6" violent revolutions on average per each such European nation...while the conservative nation of the US was being governed by one simple document drafted at an 8th grade comprehension level...over the same 250 year span of world events?

You do comprehend that FASCISM is a bisexual bitch that swings both ways....the most common from the Left (Hilter professed to be Christian when he formed the NAZI party ...i.e, the THE NATIONAL "SOCIALIST" WORKERS PARTY of Germany,

..... but on occasion some evil individuals attempt to use Religion as an evil means to and end....such as Rome's use of adapting and corrupting Christianity in order to use it as a political tool...a tool that brought the world such scriptural corruptions as the Spanish Inquisitions and the war's known as the Crusades. In fact...it was the Protest of the misuse of scripture (the reformation or protestant) movement that created the United States of America...as individuals ran from all forms of STATE MANDATED theocracies....in order to seek TRUE religious freedom.

Don't believe that history actual? Simply show us one verse in the New Testament Covenant (the new testament of Christ Jesus) that authorizes Christianity by the point of a sword. One verse. The people, lay peoples could not know the actual content of the Holy Scriptures...because the Church as it existed during that time period made it a crime for any lay person to be in possession of the Bible. It was not until the invention of the printing press that THE PEOPLE finally had access to the TRUTH found within the pages of the Holy Bible...and they revolted in force...when they learned they were being used for Evil deeds.

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As I said...the left is called the LEFT for a reason. All those left wing quests for SOCIAL JUSTICE "left" behind over 100 Million shallow unmarked graves...in the 20th century alone. Now lets address the left's use of ABORTION on demand...which has killed more human souls than all the wars of world history....combined. Evil is as evil does. ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/List_revolutions_and_rebellions
 
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countryboy said:
Yes, you are one of the "you people", and have not proven a thing. I've already posted the original claim from the OP at least three times in this thread, I'm not going to post it again. If it makes you feel better to go with the lie, that's your business. :dunno:

BTW, I don't really care if she is Trump's spiritual advisor, I never said she wasn't.
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First liberals whined Trump was not religious like their Messiah Obama. Now, they bitch about his supposed religious advisor.

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