"It's the guns" (STUPID!!!).

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Time to stop allowing the low educated idiot minority in this country and their paid whores in the NRA dictate policies that affect public safety in such a negatively horrendous manner.

It’s the Guns

The outrage after Parkland set off a moral reckoning and awakening—there’s a simple explanation for school shootings.

DAVID FRUM
MAY 18, 2018

Americans of high-school age are 82 times more likely to die from a gun homicide than 15- to 19-year-olds in the rest of the developed world.

This stark discrepancy is often treated as a baffling fact, requiring some counterintuitive explanation. After today’s massacre in Texas, the state’s lieutenant governor, Dan Patrick, suggested that the problem may be that high schools have too many doors. “Had there been one single entrance possibly for every student, maybe [the shooter] would have been stopped.”

At other moments, we’re told that the problem is that we need to do a better job guessing which troubled teens may prove murderous at some point in the future, or dealing with the excesses of masculinity, or possibly the crisis of meaning and identity in the secularizing modern world. As always, though, there is a simpler and more powerful explanation of why there has been no similar school shooting in Germany since 2009; or in Canada since 2016; none in the United Kingdom since 1996—while conversely, more young Americans have died in school shootings in 2018 than in all the nation’s combat operations all over the world.

The answer is almost insultingly simple and has the virtue only of being true:

It’s the guns.

The Parkland shooting earlier this year seemed at last to ignite a public movement in response to these terrible crimes. Yet even the cumulative impact of slaughter after slaughter has not softened the harsh divide of the American gun impasse. Back in 2012, Nate Silver observed: "Whether someone owns a gun is a more powerful predictor of a person’s political party than her gender, whether she identifies as gay or lesbian, whether she is Hispanic, whether she lives in the South, or a number of other demographic characteristics.”

More than 70 percent of Trump voters in 2016 described guns as “very important” to their vote, versus only 40 percent who described abortion as “very important” to their vote and only 25 percent who felt that way about gay rights. With the slow fading of battles over same-sex marriage and abortion, and the rapid collapse of other aspects of conservative ideology, guns may now rank as the single most important political dividing line in 21st century America.

Only 30 percent of Americans own guns. Thus far, that minority has sufficed to block substantial federal action on guns. But a one-third minority—and especially a non-urban one-third minority—may no longer suffice to shape American culture.

The outrage after Parkland looked less like a political movement, more like the great waves of moral reform that have at intervals since the 1840s challenged the existing political order in the name of higher ethical ideals. The most important success of Mothers Against Drunk Driving, for example, was not to change laws (although they changed some), but to change hearts: to persuade Americans that drunk driving was not funny, not charming, and not acceptable.

American gun culture in the 2010s is as blithely irresponsible as American alcohol culture in the 1960s.

According to a Pew survey, only about one-quarter of gun owners think it essential to alert visitors with children that guns may be present in the home. (Twice as many non-gun-owners think so.) Only 66 percent of gun owners think it essential to keep guns locked up when not in use. (Ninety percent of non-gun-owners think so.) Only 45 percent of them actually do it.

This carelessness and disregard is taking lives and breaking families. The first step toward correcting a social wrong is opening people’s eyes to see that wrong. America has now tallied still more victims and broken the hearts of still more mourners. It’s a horrible price to pay for a moral reckoning and awakening—but the history of the nation promises that while the awakening may often come tragically slow, it does come in time, with all the power of justice delayed but not denied.
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Another Democrat that wants to take gun rights away from Blacks and women.

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I've heard the same lame arguements and deflections from gun huggers for decades while mass shootings and school shootings continue; "guns don't kill people," "it's our Second Amendmemt right," "we already got gun laws," "good guys with guns stop.....," "enforce existing laws," "gun free zones are easy targets," etc., etc., etc.

And in the meantime, as it continues to happen, "condolences and prayers" and more guns is thier solution to the problem

I noted before, there are three elements to any shooting; the weapon employed, the shooter, and the target. We can not identify who is going to be a shooter ahead of time, we have no way of knowing what the target will be, but the one thing we can control is the implement employed.

As the article suggests, "it's the gun, stupid"
 
Nomad said:
Time to stop allowing the low educated idiot minority in this country and their paid whores in the NRA dictate policies that affect public safety in such a negatively horrendous manner.
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NRA sheepleare are abhorrent. It's no surprise many gun advocates have left them in the dust. Fucking murder shills. I'm all for gun rights, but these people make it (excuse the comparison) like arguing with a retarded child. No matter what you say certain logic is above their pay grade. Everyone should be able to have a gun for protection if they are mentally stable, but these weapons aren't in that line. These are weapons of offensive assault, just like most military style arms.
 
archives said:
I've heard the same lame arguements and deflections from gun huggers for decades while mass shootings and school shootings continue; "guns don't kill people," "it's our Second Amendmemt right," "we already got gun laws," "good guys with guns stop.....," "enforce existing laws," "gun free zones are easy targets," etc., etc., etc.

And in the meantime, as it continues to happen, "condolences and prayers" and more guns is thier solution to the problem

I noted before, there are three elements to any shooting; the weapon employed, the shooter, and the target. We can not identify who is going to be a shooter ahead of time, we have no way of knowing what the target will be, but the one thing we can control is the implement employed.

As the article suggests, "it's the gun, stupid"
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then, by all means, make gun prohibition the main focus of all democrats for the next 10 years of elections. then explain how you'll go about obtaining your objective.
 
Jade Dragon said:
NRA sheepleare are abhorrent. It's no surprise many gun advocates have left them in the dust. Fucking murder shills. I'm all for gun rights, but these people make it (excuse the comparison) like arguing with a retarded child. No matter what you say certain logic is above their pay grade. Everyone should be able to have a gun for protection if they are mentally stable, but these weapons aren't in that line. These are weapons of offensive assault, just like most military style arms.
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the 2nd Amendment is not about home protection. it's about maintaining superiority in arms over any standing army, which means that military weapons must be available to the people.
 
If large government buildings hosting hundreds and sometimes thousands of children under the age of eighteen didn't exist .... there would BE no mass shootings.


When was the last mass shooting at a Home School?
 
Nomad said:
Time to stop allowing the low educated idiot minority in this country and their paid whores in the NRA dictate policies that affect public safety in such a negatively horrendous manner.
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Sorry, fuckface. You criminal coddlers don't get to take our guns. ;)
 
SmarterthanYou said:
then, by all means, make gun prohibition the main focus of all democrats for the next 10 years of elections. then explain how you'll go about obtaining your objective.
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I forgot that one, any mention of regulating access to guns automatically means guns are going be confiscated and "prohibited," my bad

How, I offered my view umpteen times, in its simplest terms treat guns exactly like we do cars, each weapon has to be registered and renewed in time, training and testing leads to a user liscense, which also has to be renewed over time, liability insurance is required for each weapon, etc., etc., etc
 
SmarterthanYou said:
the 2nd Amendment is not about home protection. it's about maintaining superiority in arms over any standing army, which means that military weapons must be available to the people.
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And drooling idiots with goofball ideas like that ^ are the reason why they aren't.
 
archives said:
I forgot that one, any mention of regulating access to guns automatically means guns are going be confiscated and "prohibited," my bad

How, I offered my view umpteen times, in its simplest terms treat guns exactly like we do cars, each weapon has to be registered and renewed in time, training and testing leads to a user liscense, which also has to be renewed over time, liability insurance is required for each weapon, etc., etc., etc
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and what do you do about those hundreds of thousands that refuse to comply? and if these are things you require for one school shooting, what about one bad cop who kills someone? will you be taking away their guns or requiring liability insurance?
 
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