Did Trump back down?

Legion said:
You can't establish the relevance of the nature of the crimes that were reportedly committed by the particpants in ISAP, apparently.
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You can't even establish what those crimes were, or from where you're getting that 5,000 figure because your source doesn't even source that claim.

So you're putting a claim out there you admit isn't even sourced, and you don't even know what it covers or entails.

Typical Nazi tactic.
 
LV426 said:
99.8% of people enrolled made their court date.
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So you keep saying.

When Marco Tulio Hernandez left New Orleans to visit his cousin in Mississippi on March 13, he didn’t expect to end up in handcuffs. As an immigrant enrolled in the Intensive Supervision Appearance Program (ISAP)—an alternative to detention program for people in immigration proceedings—he wasn’t allowed to leave Louisiana without permission. But he’d met with his ISAP officer a few days prior to his trip, and according to Hernandez, she gave him permission to buy the bus ticket and go to Mississippi.

Hernandez, an asylum seeker from Honduras, says that in his four years in and out of ISAP, he’s complied with all the program’s rules. These include weekly office check-ins, unannounced home visits, and geographical limits enforced by his GPS-enabled ankle monitor. He says that the frequency of the check-ins made it difficult for him to maintain a steady job, but because he was afraid of being deported, he never missed one.

But shortly after he returned from Mississippi, officers from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested him, claiming that he didn’t have authorization to leave the state. Rather than keeping Hernandez out of physical detention, ISAP led him directly into it.

The New Orleans ISAP office declined to discuss Hernandez’s case when asked for comment.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/news/2017/06/09/433975/alternatives-detention-profit-immigration-system/
 
Legion said:
"An estimated 5,000 immigrants absconded from ISAP or committed other crimes over the three-year period from 2010 to 2012."
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Estimated by whom? From where is your source getting this figure of 5,000? Your source doesn't even source it. You refuse to source it. You refuse to even know the details of it.

Therefore it's bullshit.
 
Legion said:
Is it?
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Yes. You posted the text that said it was for unaccompanied children and that they can only be detained for a maximum of 20 days.

You're starting to slip here now...you're forgetting what you posted before and now it's coming back to bite you. That's because you do rushed, sloppy work.
 
Legion said:
So you keep saying.

When Marco Tulio Hernandez left New Orleans to visit his cousin in Mississippi on March 13, he didn’t expect to end up in handcuffs. As an immigrant enrolled in the Intensive Supervision Appearance Program (ISAP)—an alternative to detention program for people in immigration proceedings—he wasn’t allowed to leave Louisiana without permission. But he’d met with his ISAP officer a few days prior to his trip, and according to Hernandez, she gave him permission to buy the bus ticket and go to Mississippi.

Hernandez, an asylum seeker from Honduras, says that in his four years in and out of ISAP, he’s complied with all the program’s rules. These include weekly office check-ins, unannounced home visits, and geographical limits enforced by his GPS-enabled ankle monitor. He says that the frequency of the check-ins made it difficult for him to maintain a steady job, but because he was afraid of being deported, he never missed one.

But shortly after he returned from Mississippi, officers from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested him, claiming that he didn’t have authorization to leave the state. Rather than keeping Hernandez out of physical detention, ISAP led him directly into it.

The New Orleans ISAP office declined to discuss Hernandez’s case when asked for comment.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/news/2017/06/09/433975/alternatives-detention-profit-immigration-system/
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99.8% would mean not 100%. So congrats for finding one of the 44 people out of 22,000 who didn't make their court date.
 
LV426 said:
You can't even establish what those crimes were, or from where you're getting that 5,000 figure because your source doesn't even source that claim. So you're putting a claim out there you admit isn't even sourced, and you don't even know what it covers or entails.
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Didn't you cite the same source (albeit without crediting it)?

LV426 said:
By 2014, it went up to 22,000 people.
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Legion said:
Didn't you cite the same source (albeit without crediting it)?
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The number of people enrolled is provided by information that can be found on ICE's site.

The 5,000 people you claim absconded and committed crimes, by your own admission, isn't provided anywhere. Which means it's probably a made-up figure because Nazis tend to make shit up.
 
LV426 said:
They tried to pass immigration reform, but then you guys voted against your own bill in 2013.
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They didn't try very hard, apparently.

DEMOCRATS enacted no immigration bill when they held majorities in the House and the Senate. Why?
 
Legion said:
Is it your opinion that Flores facilitates catch and release?
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Actually, Flores is silent on catch and release. People are conflating issues.

Flores only states that unaccompanied children can't be held more than 20 days. The 9th Circuit came behind that and said it also applies to accompanied minors.

Now this is how it plays out in real life

Immigrant from shithole country shows up at our border with a minor and tries to get in illegally the government has options

1) It can detain the illegal for breaking our law so that they can have their hearing. The courts are backed up and it is going to take longer than 20 days. The law states the minor can't be housed with the adult and that the minor can't be detained. So they came up with these other places for the minors to be until the case was adjudicated

2) The government can catch em, cite them and tell them to show up in court and release them into the interior of our country.


#2 is what happened under Obama's watch and what Trump is putting a stop to because Americans want it stopped. Because of the vagueness of the laws the kids are getting separated. Trump was following the law.

Liberals aren't pissed about kids being detained. They are pissed about Trump ending Catch and Release. But, they can't be honest about that because they know Americans are against Catch and Release.

The left as usual isn't being honest
 
ISAP doesn't look too sustainable to me

The growth of alternatives to detention has not resulted in—nor even accompanied—a decline in detention.

  • Rather, while funds for alternatives to detention have skyrocketed, so have funds for detention.
  • ICE’s budget for alternatives to detention grew from $28 million in 2006 to more than $114 million in 2016.
  • Over the same period, ICE’s detention budget more than doubled, increasing from $1 billion in 2006 to $2.3 billion in 2016.


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https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/news/2017/06/09/433975/alternatives-detention-profit-immigration-system/
 
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