‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

[Micawber]

Stop claiming that you cannot prove a negative.

Of course you can.

If someone asserts that there is a live, African elephant in your top desk drawer...

...and you assert that there is no elephant of any kind in your top desk drawer...

...do you honestly suppose YOU CANNOT PROVE THAT NEGATIVE?

Jesus H. Christ.

Wake up.



YOU are the one who seems not to like it.

I love it.

I mention it often.

You are opposing me right now because I mentioned it.

I am saying that the assertions "there is a GOD" and "there are no gods"...are both blind guesses.

Both, when asserted, assume a burden of proof.

Neither can meet it.

Wake the fuck up.

Wrong frank. Your example is not apt. The elephant is susceptible to empirical evidence. Jesus as godhead is not. The aphorism about not proving a negative is thus not applicable to the elephant hypothetical.
In fact it is the corrct application of "can't prove a negative" that you rest your entire case.

My problem isn't with blind faith, if that gets your rocks off and gives you comfort, believe. To act as though there is any rational basis to believe, and to discount the fact that we can prove there is no
elephant in the drawer should have no persuasive value is dishonest. What we can't do is prove there is no god in the desk drawer. Its a magical belief from the get go. You can always pretend it exists
behind the next quark, mountain or gap you'd care to stuff Jesus in.

 

[Grugore]

M #297

Psychologist Joy Browne spends a lot of time correcting mis-perceptions.
But she confessed to making an exception. Dr. Browne preferred to avoid bursting delusions in her patients, when those delusions (however false) served a constructive role.

Humans tend to believe what they want to believe.
And religious believers tend to cling to their delusions most tenaciously. It's their ideological security blanket. There's even evolutionary & psychological explanation for the prominence of religious myth.

- As new-borns we rely on the suckling breast. Mother tends to our every need.

- As we mature, both mother and father play their parental roles, teaching manners, etiquette, survival, etc.

- SO !!

Young adults have had these parental influences all their lives. But once the offspring are full adults, and on their own, this absence of the parental overseer is gone.

As the explanation goes, persons with such new-found "need" turn to an overseer of an even higher authority. Some even call him "heavenly father".

But it may all trace back to our mammalian roots. For of what use are lactating mammaries without the compelling instinct to suckle?

God is not a myth.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Again, false. When every molecule ever examined contains zero supernatural juju and nonsecular belief is loaded with syupernatural juju,
my belief in no god is vastly more supported than belief in God. Equating the two is the dishonest ranting of a delusional.
If those ruby slippers fit, feel free to tap them thrice.

Yeah...atheists tend to be even more thick-headed than theists when it comes to their blind guesses.

No problem.

BUT...the blind guesses that there are no gods...is no more supported than the blind guesses that there is a GOD.

Hey...you are providing laughs for me on this one, Micawber.

Stick with your blind guesses about the REALITY...although, for obvious reasons, I would suggest you call it something other than faith!

 

[Ross Dolan]

Wrong frank. Your example is not apt.

My example is not wrong. Guille claimed you cannot prove a negative.

I am saying you can...and gave an example.

The elephant is susceptible to empirical evidence. Jesus as godhead is not. The aphorism about not proving a negative is thus not applicable to the elephant hypothetical.

Try to keep up, Mic.

I've already acknowledge that some negatives are too universal to be proved.

In fact it is the corrct application of "can't prove a negative" that you rest your entire case.

No it isn't.

My problem isn't with blind faith, if that gets your rocks off and gives you comfort, believe.

I don't have a problem with blind faith either. You atheists can have all the blind faith that there are no gods that you want. I have no problem with it.

Same goes for the theists who have blind faith that there is a GOD.

You both are entitled to your blind faith!

To act as though there is any rational basis to believe, and to discount the fact that we can prove there is no
elephant in the drawer should have no persuasive value is dishonest.

The dishonesty here, Mic...is that you are pretending that the blind guess that there are no gods...is somehow more logical or honest than the blind guess that there is a GOD.

I understand. I forgive you your dishonesty.

What we can't do is prove there is no god in the desk drawer. Its a magical belief from the get go. You can always pretend it exists behind the next quark, mountain or gap you'd care to stuff Jesus in.

The fact that you cannot prove that gods exist...IS NOT PROOF THAT GODS DO NOT EXIST.

Get a bit logical.

The fact that we cannot prove that there are sentient beings on one of the planets circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol...IS NOT PROOF THAT THERE ARE NO SENTIENT BEINGS ON ANY OF THOSE PLANETS.

Wake the hell up.

Stop being as pig-headed as the theists.

 

[Micawber]

Yeah...atheists tend to be even more thick-headed than theists when it comes to their blind guesses.

No problem.

BUT...the blind guesses that there are no gods...is no more supported than the blind guesses that there is a GOD.

Hey...you are providing laughs for me on this one, Micawber.

Stick with your blind guesses about the REALITY...although, for obvious reasons, I would suggest you call it something other than faith!

You are a retard. I can very easily state I cannot disprove the existence of God in magic land. I can also assert for the tenth time
I can disprove his existence in the natural world. That you think your candyland faith has equal persuasive heft as rational and scientific
belief makes you and idiot. Sorry. You are an idiot. Or delusional. Your pick.

You are the recalcitrant one, I gave up the farm you wanted, but you won't take that yes for an answer.
Your puny little inferior ego demands that you get me to say that I think theism is on equal intellectual footing.
As a more intelligent mammal than you, with a higher moral compass and need for honesty I cannot supply you with your
fraud reinforcement. Sorry.

Something beats nothing ten throws out of ten.

 

[Ross Dolan]

God is not a myth.

Another blind guess!

This one I suspect Sear and Mic will be able to see as a blind guess!

 

[Lightbringer]

My example is not wrong. Guille claimed you cannot prove a negative.

I am saying you can...and gave an example.

Stop right there. Your example wasn't even close to answering me. You talked about philosophy and God but then went with "there is no elephant in your desk drawer". That's not philosophy Frank. I specifically said we were talking about the unknown and you went with the elephant in the desk drawer.

Jesus hates you ;P

 

[Ross Dolan]

You are a retard.

I am not a "retard" but if it helps you feel better about yourself to think that...go for it.

I can very easily state I cannot disprove the existence of God in magic land. I can also assert for the tenth time
I can disprove his existence in the natural world. That you think your candyland faith has equal persuasive heft as rational and scientific
belief makes you and idiot. Sorry. You are an idiot. Or delusional. Your pick.

You can state whatever you want. You can make all the blind guesses you want.

I don't care.

And if it makes your life more worth living to think of me as an idiot...go for it.

You are the recalcitrant one, I gave up the farm you wanted, but you won't take that yes for an answer.
Your puny little inferior ego demands that you get me to say that I think theism is on equal intellectual footing.

I am not asking for that at all.

I am saying that the assertion "there are no gods" IS A BLIND GUESS ABOUT THE REALITY OF EXISTENCE...

...just as the assertion "there is a GOD" IS A BLIND GUESS ABOUT THE REALITY OF EXISTENCE.

You seem to be arguing that I am wrong.

I say fuck you.

If you want to suppose that has to do with a "puny little inferior ego" (whatever the hell that means)...go for it.

If it makes you happy...it makes me happy, 'cause I want you to be happy.

As a more intelligent mammal than you, with a higher moral compass and need for honesty I cannot supply you with your
fraud reinforcement. Sorry.

Something beats nothing ten throws out of ten.

Uh oh...I am beginning to see why you want to call others delusional.

Keep at it. You are entertaining.

I am enjoying this thread more than any other thread I've entered here in JPP.

 

[Micawber]

By the way, you have called me an atheist. It's also a lie. The fact that I admit I cannot disprove the existence of god
in candyland makes me an agnostic by definition.

The fact that I can observe that in the natural world there is no evidence of god and that this is persuasive evidence that there is no god, (the last 21 words you dare not admit),
just serves to prove that I am apparently either more intelligent, or honest or more sane than you. It's god's world, is it not? That there appears to be no evidence
of Him whatsoever in it is damning evidence that he doesn't exist. Sorry that chaps your hide, theologian.

 

[Micawber]

I am not a "retard" but if it helps you feel better about yourself to think that...go for it.




You can state whatever you want. You can make all the blind guesses you want.

I don't care.

And if it makes your life more worth living to think of me as an idiot...go for it.



I am not asking for that at all.

I am saying that the assertion "there are no gods" IS A BLIND GUESS ABOUT THE REALITY OF EXISTENCE...

...just as the assertion "there is a GOD" IS A BLIND GUESS ABOUT THE REALITY OF EXISTENCE.

You seem to be arguing that I am wrong.

I say fuck you.

If you want to suppose that has to do with a "puny little inferior ego" (whatever the hell that means)...go for it.

If it makes you happy...it makes me happy, 'cause I want you to be happy.




Uh oh...I am beginning to see why you want to call others delusional.

Keep at it. You are entertaining.

I am enjoying this thread more than any other thread I've entered here in JPP.

You are going to need to prove its not true by admitting that you know evidence is more valuable than nonsense.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Stop right there. Your example wasn't even close to answering me. You talked about philosophy and God but then went with "there is no elephant in your desk drawer". That's not philosophy Frank. I specifically said we were talking about the unknown and you went with the elephant in the desk drawer.

Jesus hates you ;P

Fuck, man!

Your exact words were, "Claims require proof and you can't prove a negative."

I agreed with the "claims require proof"...

...and disagreed with the "you can't prove a negative."

YOU CAN PROVE A NEGATIVE.

Not all of them.

But then again, you cannot prove every positive either.

So what is your problem?

 

[Lightbringer]

Fuck, man!

Your exact words were, "Claims require proof and you can't prove a negative."

I agreed with the "claims require proof"...

...and disagreed with the "you can't prove a negative."

YOU CAN PROVE A NEGATIVE.

Not all of them.

But then again, you cannot prove every positive either.

So what is your problem?

You gave an intellectually dishonest example Frank. Own it.

 

[sear]

"God is not a myth." G #302

Good.
Glad to know you believe in Zeus, and Neptune, and Shiva, and Thor, and Allah.

 

[Micawber]

Hey, you want to get all introspective and close your eyes and fanticize about ultimate reality you conjure from dick,
that's fine. But when you snap out of it and your decarte delsusions you will wake up and see the same world you saw
before your started the transcendental meditations and observe no bearded goofball on a cloud.

That you discount the real world you see and all that we know, and that we see no god in it is ....silly.
Should the cloud guy show up, I'll be the first to run up to him and suck his heavenly pecker to curry favor.
So far, no such beast.

 

[Ross Dolan]

By the way, you have called me an atheist. It's also a lie.

It is not a lie, Jerk-Off...although it may be a mistake.

If you are not an atheist...I WAS WRONG. I APOLOGIZE.

BUT YOU ARE CORRECT. IF YOU ARE NOT AN ATHEIST...I WAS WRONG TO CALL YOU AN ATHEIST.

ONCE AGAIN...I APOLOGIZE.

Owning up to a mistake and apologizing is what one should do in these settings.

The fact that I admit I cannot disprove the existence of god
in candyland makes me an agnostic by definition.

Horse shit.

The fact that I can observe that in the natural world there is no evidence of god and that this is persuasive evidence that there is no god, (the last 21 words you dare not admit),

It is not evidence...and it is FAR from persuasive evidence.

Once again, for you...the fact that there is no evidence for sentient life on any of the planets circling the nearest 15 to Sol...apparently is persuasive evidence that no sentient life exists there.

BAT-SHIT FUCKING NUTS.

just serves to prove that I am apparently either more intelligent, or honest or more sane than you. It's god's world, is it not? That there appears to be no evidence
of Him whatsoever in it is damning evidence that he doesn't exist. Sorry that chaps your hide, theologian.

More unintelligent, illogical babbling on your part.

But as I said...don't give up. This is more fun for me than I can communicate. And you are particularly amusing.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You are going to need to prove its not true by admitting that you know evidence is more valuable than nonsense.

You have no evidence that no gods exist.

You may have an absence of evidence that at least one god exists...but an absence of evidence is not evidence that no gods exist.

You really need a few courses in logic if you are going to get into these kinds of discussions, Mic.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You gave an intellectually dishonest example Frank. Own it.

It was right on the button, Guille.

Look at what you wrote.

You need to own that.

 

[Lightbringer]

You have no evidence that no gods exist.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Hey, you want to get all introspective and close your eyes and fanticize about ultimate reality you conjure from dick,
that's fine. But when you snap out of it and your decarte delsusions you will wake up and see the same world you saw
before your started the transcendental meditations and observe no bearded goofball on a cloud.

That you discount the real world you see and all that we know, and that we see no god in it is ....silly.
Should the cloud guy show up, I'll be the first to run up to him and suck his heavenly pecker to curry favor.
So far, no such beast.

If you want to delude yourself and think that the assertion "there are no gods" is anything but a blind guess...do it. Same thing I would say to a theist if he/she wants to thing that the assertion "there is a god" is anything but a blind guess.

You people should start a fraternity or sorority.

 

[Lightbringer]

It was right on the button, Guille.

Look at what you wrote.

You need to own that.

It doesn't take a philosopher to know a 20 ton animal isn't climbing into my desk drawer. If the God question were that simple we wouldn't be having this conversation.