A point about Elizabeth Warren's Native American Ancestry

Frank Apisa said:
I don't think she has stopped at all.

I think she is going full-tilt.

And I suspect the assholes of the right want to say, "Oh, please, please pick her."

I also see that the assholes of the right are doing everything they can to denigrate her...so she has as little chance of getting the nomination as possible.

So...it seems the assholes of the right are working at cross purposes...or, the assholes of the right are just full of shit and are saying whatever comes to their minds, because that is what their Dear Leader does.
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Frankie, you have no idea how much I am looking forward to that shitshow that is going to be the democrat party nomination process.

Don't think Shrillary isn't thinking about throwing her hat back in the ring. She thinks she was robbed. Robbed I say.

Then you got Spartacus and Kamala and Fauxcahontas and Juliana Castro and Bernie and Michael Avenatti and Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey

Are you fucking kidding me? It is going to be a hoot and a half watching them try to out socialist the other.
 
Teflon Don said:
Frankie, you have no idea how much I am looking forward to that shitshow that is going to be the democrat party nomination process.

Don't think Shrillary isn't thinking about throwing her hat back in the ring. She thinks she was robbed. Robbed I say.

Then you got Spartacus and Kamala and Fauxcahontas and Juliana Castro and Bernie and Michael Avenatti and Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey

Are you fucking kidding me? It is going to be a hoot and a half watching them try to out socialist the other.
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Okay...then we are both going to enjoy it.

Can't ask for better than that.
 
Evmetro said:
25% DNA just barely entitles a person to claim heritage, and 50% of mine goes unrecognized. 10% is probably past the limit of what is legitimate.

!/!000 and staking a claim = fraud, theft, lying, cheating racist.
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The irony of a trump supporter calling someone a fraud, thief, lying, cheating racist. Have you been living on another planet for the last two years?
 
christiefan915 said:
The irony of a trump supporter calling someone a fraud, thief, lying, cheating racist. Have you been living on another planet for the last two years?
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Evmetro is at least two of those. A lying racist. So, I guess he can relate.

Toss in willfully ignorant and massively stupid and you have a foursome.
 
christiefan915 said:
The irony of a trump supporter calling someone a fraud, thief, lying, cheating racist. Have you been living on another planet for the last two years?
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I have been watching the thing where lefty government wire taps the opposing party in order to stay in power. I feel bad for you if you are stuck clicking "like" for dumber76 posts.
 
Evmetro said:
I have been watching the thing where lefty government wire taps the opposing party in order to stay in power. I feel bad for you if you are stuck clicking "like" for dumber76 posts.
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I don't feel bad for you because you made the choice to support trump... that lying, cheating, grifting embarrassment to this country. Maybe some day you'll wake up to the fact that you've been had.
 
Oneuli said:
Anyway, to your point, it's true that he framed his promise in the context of throwing a test kit at her during a hypothetical debate. That debate hasn't happened,
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Although I don't give lefties compliments very often, I owe you one here. You were able to look outside the lefty dogma long enough to admit that Trump did NOT make a deal with White Pocahontas. Most lefties will insist that he did, even though we just saw what really happened right there on video.
 
Evmetro said:
Although I don't give lefties compliments very often, I owe you one here. You were able to look outside the lefty dogma long enough to admit that Trump did NOT make a deal with White Pocahontas. Most lefties will insist that he did, even though we just saw what really happened right there on video.
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Technical escape. She knew he was talking about whether she has Indian heritage or not. She proved she does. Wasn't that the point? of course, it was. It wasn't whether he threw it at her on stage. She accomplished the proper response and saved him the trouble of waiting. very nice of her. The deed was accomplished. Trump MADE the deal.
 
Oneuli said:
Incorrect. The report said she has about ten times as much indigenous ancestry (or at least ten times the Native American DNA markers) as the average white guy in the US (if one uses people in Utah who identify as white as the reference population -- it's more like twelve times as much if you use UK whites as the reference).

You were deceived by a misinterpretation of the data. Here's where you (or rather whatever source handed you that talking point) went wrong. The report said she has Native American ancestry between six and ten generations back. It did not say that she only has ONE ancestor six or ten generations back who was full-blooded Native American. She might have multiple ancestors in those generations who were. For example, you get the same average DNA contribution from one ancestor in the sixth generation as from two in the seventh, four in the eighth, and so on. The report indicated that the likelihood was fewer ancestors not as long ago, rather than more ancestors longer ago, but it couldn't establish either definitively.

What right-wingers did is took that and assumed she had just a single full-blooded Native American ancestor ten generations ago -- a possibility that would be inconsistent with the data. They then did the math and figured out how much Native American DNA that would give her, and then compared it to the white US average. That's the basis for the claim she has less indigenous ancestry than the average white guy. As you can see, it's utter bullshit. The actual report estimated ten times as much as the average white person, using that Utah reference sample.

So, now that you know the truth, will you drop the incorrect talking points? My assumption, just based on experience with other right-wingers, is the answer is no. When right-wingers are handed a talking-point they like, they never allow reality to stand between them and using it. It's the reason that two decades after it was debunked, you still hear right-wingers claim Gore said he invented the Internet. Most right-wingers will never allow the truth to force them off a favored argument. But maybe you're different. We'll see.
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When I read the report they did not list percentages like they did with my report (18.3% Native American ancestry, though it said 8% of that was from Mexico). When I read hers it carefully did not mention percentages. Though mine does say that one of my Grandparents was likely full Native American I would not know. My father was adopted and that is why I got the report. We always suspected that my father was at least half Indigenous but we didn't have proof until I took that test, as my father is dead long ago we aren't going to get one from him... Oddly I learned that you can get some from portions of the genome from your father and mother, and miss a bunch too. My mother was 25% German according to her report, I literally missed out on all of that.

I'd be interested to see a report like mine with percentages directly listed.
 
Evmetro said:
I have been watching the thing where lefty government wire taps the opposing party in order to stay in power. I feel bad for you if you are stuck clicking "like" for dumber76 posts.
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The massively stupid, willfully ignorant lies continue.

At least you’re consistent. :rofl2:
 
Oneuli said:
No. As you're aware she claimed that her family's oral history indicated distant Native American ancestry. We've long known she wasn't engaging in fraud when she said that, since various members of her family, including right-wing ones, have confirmed that her family's oral history did, in fact, indicate that. And now we know that oral history was correct -- that she does, in fact, have distant Native American ancestry.

How distant that ancestry is remains at issue -- the expert's report suggests it could be as close as six generations back (consistent with what she said of the oral history), or as far as ten generations back (though that would require multiple ancestors at that level to be Native Americans, to account for the portion of her DNA that has the Native American markers). She has about ten times the Native American markers as an average white person from Utah and twelve times as much as an average white person from England.

What the Moonie Cult's house paper (the Washington Times) and other right-wing rags rely on, to deceive the kind of people stupid enough to get their news from such sources, is a certain innumeracy from their readership. For example, the notion that she has about the same Native American DNA component as the average white person is simply false, if you look at the report itself. It's a politically calculated misinterpretation of the data -- basically, it assumes not only that her Native American DNA came from ten generations ago (the earliest of the range the report allowed), but also that it came from just one ancestor in that tenth generation (a possibility the report ruled out). In fact, either it came from later (as late as six generations ago), or it came from multiple ancestors at an earlier generation (e.g., several tenth-generation ancestors). Again, her total Native American DNA signature is about ten to twelve times the average for white people (depending on whether you compare against white people from Utah or from England).



What government form? Could you link to it?



Exactly, so there's no way to establish which Native American tribe or tribes her ancestors were from, at least at this point. However, in light of her family's oral history (which wound up being right about having Native American ancestry) and the geographic history of the family, Cherokee is a strong guess.



She's a white person of both European and Native American descent, who correctly claimed she had distant Native American ancestors. For some reason, this has caused a real crying jag among the wingnuts.
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Shes no more Native American in her decent than 98% of Americans. Native Americans call her claim fraudulent, because it is.
 
christiefan915 said:
I don't feel bad for you because you made the choice to support trump... that lying, cheating, grifting embarrassment to this country. Maybe some day you'll wake up to the fact that you've been had.
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Why is it that you leftists keep babbling on that those of us who voted for Trump were "had"? When it comes down to it, there were only 2 choices that had a chance to win the presidential election. Hillary Clinton was the worst of the 2, not only in my opinion, but half this country's opinion. Were you "had" because you voted for Hillary?
 
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