Finally some judicial sanity on Civil War memorials.

Grumpy said:
"(CNN)A Virginia judge has ruled that statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson in Charlottesville are war monuments that the city cannot remove without permission from the state.
In a nine-page ruling obtained from the University of Virginia School of Law website, Circuit Court Judge Richard E. Moore said neither the intentions of the people who erected the statues nor how they make people feel change the fact that the statues pay homage to the Civil War. Moore cited state code in his ruling that says it is illegal for municipalities to remove such monuments to war.
"I find this conclusion inescapable," Moore said. "It is the very reason the statues have been complained about from the beginning. It does no good pretending they are something other than what they actually are." "
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/30/us/charlottesville-confederate-monuments-ruling/index.html

Let the PC whining begin.
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There is always Plan B?!!
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This is a good idea. The urge to erase the past is totalitarian. Yet what Pol Pot did, by re-making the world and proclaiming Year Zero, is now the default setting of every social-justice nitwit.
 
Grumpy said:
What most of the left that want's these monuments destroyed or removed forget that there are a lot of people who had ancestors that fought on both sides. In my wife's family she has ancestors that fought for the north and ancestors that fought for the south. Should she revere one and not the other? No! That was a different era and the left must quit trying to enforce their PC on a people who are long dead and gone.
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So what if they did? That's irrelevant to rejecting the idea that we should honor treason and traitors. She can privately revere anyone she wants to.

Having memorials that honor traitors on gov't property is a whole different matter. It's not PC to stand against the display of traitorous filth on gov't land.
 
Heff said:
This is a good idea. The urge to erase the past is totalitarian. Yet what Pol Pot did, by re-making the world and proclaiming Year Zero, is now the default setting of every social-justice nitwit.
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Removing such statues and monuments isn't erasing the past, dipshit. You can do something you've never done before to be reminded of it: go crack a book.
 
Grumpy said:
What most of the left that want's these monuments destroyed or removed forget that there are a lot of people who had ancestors that fought on both sides. In my wife's family she has ancestors that fought for the north and ancestors that fought for the south. Should she revere one and not the other? No! That was a different era and the left must quit trying to enforce their PC on a people who are long dead and gone.
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She should revere one and not the other.
In the Civil War there was a clear right and wrong side of the war.
 
RB 60 said:
No, you may not suggest shit, stupid foreigner.
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STFU. This issue will go to the legislature where the wordage will be changed to permit removal, and it will be upheld by the courts, and when the silly idiots on the right protest, the police will kick em in the ass.
 
Grumpy said:
What most of the left that want's these monuments destroyed or removed forget that there are a lot of people who had ancestors that fought on both sides. In my wife's family she has ancestors that fought for the north and ancestors that fought for the south. Should she revere one and not the other? No! That was a different era and the left must quit trying to enforce their PC on a people who are long dead and gone.
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IOW's they reflect the history of the nation and are worthy of study and remembrance
 
dukkha said:
IOW's they reflect the history of the nation and are worthy of study and remembrance
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Exactly. Have you ever seen all the statues and plaques all across Great Britain? Some were winners, some were losers, but all remain as reminders
of a nation's history and are worthy of study and examination of how a nation came to be.
 
Grumpy said:
If I'm not mistaken the Constitution mentions states rights not cities rights. So clearly state law tops city laws, just as federal law tops state law.

"Preemption occurs when law at a higher level of government is used to overrule authority at a lower level. State law can be used to preempt local ordinances, and federal law can be used to preempt state law."


So your example is moot.
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The Constitution does not mention state's rights.
 
dukkha said:
IOW's they reflect the history of the nation and are worthy of study and remembrance
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In a museum (and they represent the history of a different nation). If they are going to take-up space paying homage to the great and wonderful CSA, then, they may as well be fucking dynamited.
 
Heff said:
This is a good idea. The urge to erase the past is totalitarian. Yet what Pol Pot did, by re-making the world and proclaiming Year Zero, is now the default setting of every social-justice nitwit.
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The urge to celebrate and worship the Confederacy is evil. Every single person who cherishes the memory of the CSA can burn in hell.
 
Howard the Duck said:
The urge to celebrate and worship the Confederacy is evil. Every single person who cherishes the memory of the CSA can burn in hell.
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Who is celebrating and worshiping the Confederacy? Who cherishes their memory?

If, for the same reasons (succession and slavery) they would rise up again, I would fight for the North, just as my great grandfather did.
That said, why, all of a sudden are some people getting their panties in a wad over a few monuments? I live near Gettysburg and have
been there many times, there are a number of monuments representing both the North and South, as well as Civil War reenactments. Yes,
it is a sad part of our history, but still part of our history. I see those monuments as a reminder of our past, with the hopes it never happens
again.
 
Earl said:
The Taliban and the radical Democrat Socialists want to destroy historical monuments and statues.
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You mean monuments to treason. It figures that Trump supporters would support treason.

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Grumpy said:
What most of the left that want's these monuments destroyed or removed forget that there are a lot of people who had ancestors that fought on both sides. In my wife's family she has ancestors that fought for the north and ancestors that fought for the south. Should she revere one and not the other? No! That was a different era and the left must quit trying to enforce their PC on a people who are long dead and gone.
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You want to glorify treason.

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