You are so clueless. Are you the dumbest person on the planet?
You are the one claiming that citizens means all persons.
A primer and discussion of the 14th Amendment, Section 1.
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You are so clueless. Are you the dumbest person on the planet?
You are the one claiming that citizens means all persons.
If formal citizenship was a requirement for those wishing to vote, yet women weren't permitted to vote, then technically women were "persons", not "citizens." Again, becoming a citizen in the 1800s was not the same as becoming a citizen today. If you lived and worked here you were considered a citizen. Read those paragraphs over and over until you get it.
Due Process is a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT you fucking dump fuck. Do you realize how imbecilic you sound?
In the context of this Article they are one and the same because of the use of the semi colon.
Then the phrasing should have continued with the word "citizen" rather than "person." What was the point in repeating the same idea with a different word?
Are you claiming Congress can pass a law restricting free speech or religion of non-citizens? For a so-called conservative you sure want to give the government oppressive powers. Where does the 1st Amendment which prohibits Congress from restricting speech or religion make an exception for non-citizens?
I thought conservatives wanted to stick with the plain language of the Constitution--I know I do.
In the context of this Article they are one and the same because of the use of the semi colon.
Do you think the rider just did that for fun. What’s the intent of the word? Why separate out three different categories if they were all relating to the same people?
Those who write legislation do not Dussault frivolously. Your argument is stupid. Plain and simple stupid. You have to do crazy gymnastics and make silly arguments to get the results you are looking for.
And it's all based on the opening statement. These persons are citizens and the Article continues to address these persons.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;"
You are a fucking dumbass, The first sentence does not say all people are citizens, read it again. It says all people who meet certain criteria are citizens.
This was the intent of the Founding Fathers and is worded to include “all persons born or ...”
But, I believe that most all of those immigrants were here legally though, no?
I don't know. Maybe he felt like it. He did, after all begin by calling us persons.
What I'm saying is there was no need for a semi-colon if citizen = person.
I understand, but that does not mean they did not have the protection of life, liberty and property which I was responding to.
I think your source about needing citizenship to vote was somewhat too broad:
"Historically, over 40 states or territories, including colonies before the Declaration of Independence, have at some time given at least some aliens voting rights in some or all elections.[9][10][11][12] For example, in 1875, the Supreme Court in Minor v. Happersett noted that "citizenship has not in all cases been made a condition precedent to the enjoyment of the right of suffrage. Thus, in Missouri, persons of foreign birth, who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, may under certain circumstances vote."[13]
By 1900, nearly half of the states and territories had some experience with voting by aliens, and for some the experience lasted more than half a century.[14] At the turn of the twentieth century, anti-immigration feeling ran high, and Alabama stopped allowing aliens to vote by way of a constitutional change in 1901; Colorado followed suit in 1902, Wisconsin in 1908, and Oregon in 1914.[15] Just as the nationalism unleashed by the War of 1812 helped to reverse the alien suffrage policies inherited from the late eighteenth century, World War I caused a sweeping retreat from the progressive alien suffrage policies of the late nineteenth century.[16] In 1918, Kansas, Nebraska, and South Dakota all changed their constitutions to purge alien suffrage, and Texas ended the practice of noncitizen voting in primary elections by statute.[15] Indiana and Texas joined the trend in 1921, followed by Mississippi in 1924 and, finally, Arkansas in 1926.[17] In 1931, political scientist Leon Aylsworth noted that "[f]or the first time in over a hundred years, a national election was held in 1928 in which no alien in any state had the right to cast a vote for a candidate for any office – national, state, or local."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_foreigners_to_vote_in_the_United_States