Getin the ring
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so investigate... you're funny
Nancy has been waiting because she wants more than just impeachment-JAIL!!
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so investigate... you're funny
So that's the bar now? Barr lied, but it probably isn't criminal.
So Barr lied, then.
So since Barr lied, why does he have credibility with you?
You're admitting Barr lied...criminal or not, he lied...
So...that's your defense now?
No it wasn't.
There was an excuse, but the excuse is flimsy because the question asked of Barr on 4/9 was direct.
Barr lied.
Southern Chicken
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The question was asked about Mueller's team. It's not that hard to understand is it?
"CRIST: Reports have emerged recently, General, that members of the special counsel’s team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your March 24th letter . . . that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report’s findings. Do you know what they’re referencing with that?
BARR: No, I don’t. I think — I think . . . I suspect that they probably wanted more put out, but, in my view, I was not interested in putting out summaries or trying to summarize because I think any summary, regardless of who prepares it, not only runs the risk of, you know, being under-inclusive or over-inclusive, but also, you know, would trigger a lot of discussion and analysis that really should await everything coming out at once. So I was not interested in a summary of the report. . . . I felt that I should state the bottom line conclusions and I tried to use Special Counsel Mueller’s own language in doing that.
When we look at the actual words of this exchange, Barr’s testimony is clearly accurate. And I don’t mean accurate in the hyper-technical, Clintonesque “depends on what the definition of is is” sense. I mean straightforward, unguarded, and evincing a willingness to volunteer information beyond what the question sought.
Crist did not ask a general question about Mueller’s reaction to Barr’s letter; he asked a specific question about the reaction of Mueller’s “team” to the Barr letter’s description of “the report’s findings.” Regarding the March 24 letter’s rendering of this bottom line — namely, Russia meddled, Trump did not collude, and Mueller failed to resolve the obstruction question — Barr said he did not know what Mueller’s staff was complaining about."
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...hat-barr-lied/
Southern Chicken
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Ask the DEMOCRAT that made the statement!
What you are posting is all post-hoc.
Here's the transcript from 4/20:
Senator Van Hollen: “Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion?”
Bill Barr: “I don’t know whether Mueller supported my conclusion.”
Southern Chicken
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Did you read the transcript? Are you being obtuse?
No answer for this? Nothing to say? Just an impotent reply because you are realizing you are being forced to carry this baggage?
No it wasn't:
Transcript from April 20th, 2019, Senate Appropriations Hearing, Department of Justice
Senator Van Hollen: “Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion?”
Bill Barr: “I don’t know whether Mueller supported my conclusion.”
In fact, Barr did know and received two letters from Mueller.
You made the statement when you copied-and-pasted it from someone else.
Whether or not the lying Barr did was criminal is beside the point; the fact is that Barr lied.
So since Barr lied, why does he still have credibility with you? He's already lied to your face at least once.
Southern Chicken
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Mueller didn't have a conclusion,correct? If he did, would Mueller state it? Go ahead post the OLC didnt allow him to make one.
Southern Chicken
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No he didn't
So first, thanks for admitting you were lying when you said the reason Barr said he hadn't received any communication was because of his convoluted excuse that Van Hollen was asking about Mueller's team.
So that's one big lie.
Next, the question was whether Mueller supported BARR'S conclusion.
Van Hollen: “Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion?”
Bill Barr: “I don’t know whether Mueller supported my conclusion.”
Fact is, Barr did know that because Mueller said this on 3/27:
"The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office's work and conclusions."
So Barr lied to Van Hollen.
So the question becomes; why did Barr lie to the Senate, and why are you trying to conflate things on this thread?
Southern Chicken
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Did the letters show a conclusion?
The question to which Barr responded was to whether or not Mueller agreed with Barr's conclusions.
So you're trying to obfuscate the argument now, either because you know your goose is cooked, or you're the stupidest fucking person in the world.
You're a dishonest hack, and your defense of Trump, Barr, and Manafort has collapsed.
Southern Chicken
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Is anything you posted above a conclusion? wow, you are being obtuse!
Yes he did:
April 20th, 2019
Senator Van Hollen: “Did Bob Mueller support your conclusion?”
Attorney General Barr: “I don’t know whether Mueller supported my conclusion.”
March 27th, 2019
Special Counsel Mueller: "The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office's work and conclusions."
You're done.
Southern Chicken
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Barr made a conclusion about the report Mueller didn't correct? You're being obtuse.
Southern Chicken
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That isn't a conclusion.
The letters said that Barr's conclusions were misleading:
The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office's work and conclusions.
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/01/7190...ng-concern-about-barr-s-summary-of-his-report
So when Barr said “I don’t know whether Mueller supported my conclusion.”, he was lying because Mueller's letter does not support Barr's conclusions.
Why are you lying for these people? What are you hoping to gain here? You're only going to lose if you continue down this path.