Nancy has been waiting because she wants more than just impeachment-JAIL!!

LV426 said:
Distinction without difference. The guy was IRA-connected, and Manafort knew that.
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Saying someone is 'connected' is a cop out. A lot of people are 'connected'. No, talk to Ukrainians... they will tell you there is a distinct difference. Especially those that lived through days in the USSR.

It's not "supposed", it's fact established in Mueller's report.
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No, it is not. The fact that was presented was that Manafort shared the data (intentionally or through stupidity, perhaps both). But no record of it being used or passed along to Russians. no evidence.

You know, the report you still haven't read.
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You said this the last time, yet I quoted page and paragraph for what I referred to. You refused to do so. I proved you wrong then. Feel free to prove me wrong now. Cite page and paragraph of what you refer to.

Wrong. As Mueller's report states, the sharing of data had been happening for months, and the two of them discussed it.
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Again, cite paragraph and page. Stop refusing to back up your claims.

Again, it's in Mueller's report...the one you refuse to read.
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Again you lie. As mentioned, I cited page and paragraph and proved you wrong the last time. You continue to refuse to do the same to back your claims.

So you are admitting that Manafort did share polling data with Russia, thus proving Trump's campaign was colluding with them.
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again, as I stated, yet you continue to distort... Manafort shared the polling data with a Ukrainian. Not a Russian. No they are not the same. Perhaps you missed the detail of Russia invading Ukraine and Obama letting him take over Crimea? Talk to a Ukrainian and ask them if they are Russian. Further, there is no evidence at all that the data was sent to Russia or used by Russia.

Also, if you read Mueller's report, which you refuse to do because you're a coward, you'd see that Russia used the polling data to target specific states with their troll army.
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You stated the same nonsense before. Then I proved you wrong by citing paragraph and page to back my position. You on the other hand refused to do the same.
 
Superfreak said:
A lot of people are 'connected'. No, talk to Ukrainians... they will tell you there is a distinct difference. Especially those that lived through days in the USS
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This is just a bullshit deflection from the fact that Manafort knew the guy he was sharing polling data on PA, MI, WI, and MN with was a Russian spy.

Why would he share polling data with him for months, then?
 
Superfreak said:
Cite the page and paragraph(s) you are referring to.
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Section 8, Page 129 of the Mueller report that you still haven't read because you're either too lazy, too scared, or too stupid:

Manafort stayed in touch with these contacts during the campaign period through Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort employee who previously ran Manafort's office in Kiev and who the FBI assesses to have ties to Russian intelligence. Manafort instructed Rick Gates, his deputy on the Campaign and a longtime employee, to provide Kilimnik with updates on the Trump Campaign-including internal polling data,although Manafort claims not to recall that specific instruction. Manafort expected Kilimnik to share that information with others in Ukraine and with Deripaska. Gates periodically sent such polling data to Kilimnik during the campaign.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

So I accommodated your bad faith.

Now comes the part where you admit you got conned by Trump.
 
LV426 said:
This is just a bullshit deflection from the fact that Manafort knew the guy he was sharing polling data on PA, MI, WI, and MN with was a Russian spy.

Why would he share polling data with him for months, then?
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It is not a deflection. You seem to lack the basic understanding of Geopolitics. The man he shared the data with is Ukrainian, not Russian. Yes, some Ukrainians prefer Russian government to self rule. But there is no evidence that they did anything other than discuss his peace plan. The Mueller report showed no evidence the data shared was tied to Russian interference.
 
Superfreak said:
But no record of it being used or passed along to Russians. no evidence.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

If you had read the Mueller report, you'd have known this:

Manafort instructed Rick Gates, his deputy on the Campaign and a longtime employee to provide Kilimnik with updates on the Trump Campaign-including internal polling data, although Manafort claims not to recall that specific instruction. Manafort expected Kilimnik to share that information with others in Ukraine and with Deripaska. Gates periodically sent such polling data to Kilimnik during the campaign.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

In fact, it's so damning, it got its own footnote:

As noted in Volume I, Section III.D. l .b, supra, Gates pleaded guilty to two criminal charges in the District of Columbia, including making a false statement to the FBI, pursuant to a plea agreement. He has provided information and in-court testimony that the Office has deemed to be reliable. See also Transcript at 16, United States v. Paul J Manafort, Jr., l :17-cr-201 (D.D.C. Feb. 13, 2019), Doc. 514 ("Manafort 2/13/19 Transcript") (court's explanation of reasons to credit Oates's statements in one instance).
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
 
Superfreak said:
Again, cite paragraph and page. Stop refusing to back up your claim
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I have backed everything up here, you bad faith piece of shit.

You're the one who keeps jumping around and refuses to stay on one topic, deliberately engaging in sophistry because you are a weak sauce loser.

You're the one who refuses to read the report because of how much damage it will do to your fragile ego.

How come you didn't read this in the report? Oh right, because you never read the report. Because you're a liar.

Paul Manafort served on the Trump Campaign, including a period as campaign chairman, from March to August 2016.838 Manafort had connections to Russia through his prior work for Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska and later through his work for a pro-Russian regime in Ukraine. Manafort stayed in touch with these contacts during the campaign period through Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort employee who previously ran Manafort's office in Kiev and who the FBI assesses to have ties to Russian intelligence. Manafort instructed Rick Gates, his deputy on the Campaign and a longtime employee, to provide Kilimnik with updates on the Trump Campaign-including internal polling data, although Manafort claims not to recall that specific instruction. Manafort expected Kilimnik to share that information with others in Ukraine and with Deripaska. Gates periodically sent such polling data to Kilimnik during the campaign.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
 
LV426 said:
Section 8, Page 129 of the Mueller report that you still haven't read because you're either too lazy, too scared, or too stupid:

Manafort stayed in touch with these contacts during the campaign period through Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort employee who previously ran Manafort's office in Kiev and who the FBI assesses to have ties to Russian intelligence. Manafort instructed Rick Gates, his deputy on the Campaign and a longtime employee, to provide Kilimnik with updates on the Trump Campaign-including internal polling data,although Manafort claims not to recall that specific instruction. Manafort expected Kilimnik to share that information with others in Ukraine and with Deripaska. Gates periodically sent such polling data to Kilimnik during the campaign.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

So I accommodated your bad faith.

Now comes the part where you admit you got conned by Trump.
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Again... Stop with your bullshit about my not reading the report. No, I do not have it memorized, which is why I asked you to cite. The last time I proved you wrong. The last time you refused to cite.

I do appreciate you citing it this time. It makes it far easier to discuss.

AGAIN... saying someone 'has ties' is ambiguous at best. Notice your quote states the FBI 'assesses' he has ties. That means they are pretty sure given his past. But it isn't certain. Yes, he likely has ties... he was in the Soviet Army. But having ties and USING TIES are two different things.

There is NO evidence that the data was shared with those 'ties'... NONE. Nothing in your quote shows that. Nothing that showed the data went to Deripaska. AGAIN... EVIDENCE MATTERS. Not supposition. Not 'well he has ties so we think he might have done something with those ties'. EVIDENCE.

There is no bad faith. When you make claims, it is upon you to provide the evidence. Simply stating 'you haven't read the report' is not evidence of anything except your laziness. You finally posted page and paragraph and again I thank you for doing so. Because it shows you don't understand what you are reading.
 
Superfreak said:
Manafort shared the polling data with a Ukrainian. Not a Russian
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From the Mueller Report that you still haven't read:

Manafort stayed in touch with these contacts during the campaign period through Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort employee who previously ran Manafort's office in Kiev and who the FBI assesses to have ties to Russian intelligence.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

You will never, ever, ever, ever, ever respond to that above because it completely destroys every stupid argument you are making.

What this boils down to is an indictment of your personal judgment, credibility, instincts, and character.

If this thread was a test of those, you'd fail all four.
 
Superfreak said:
Further, there is no evidence at all that the data was sent to Russia or used by Russia
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Eat all the dicks:

Manafort instructed Rick Gates, his deputy on the Campaign and a longtime employee, to provide Kilimnik with updates on the Trump Campaign-including internal polling data, although Manafort claims not to recall that specific instruction. Manafort expected Kilimnik to share that information with others in Ukraine and with Deripaska. Gates periodically sent such polling data to Kilimnik during the campaign.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

So do you lie out of habit, or are the lies you're saying today just to bridge you through this debate you're losing?
 
Superfreak said:
You stated the same nonsense before. Then I proved you wrong by citing paragraph and page to back my position
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What you cited was this:

"Because of questions about Manafort' s credibility and our limited ability to gather evidence "

So the SC had limits to what evidence it could gather, which is why it didn't conclude what Russia did with the polling info it got from Manafort, but Mueller didn't rule it out, either.
 
LV426 said:
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

If you had read the Mueller report, you'd have known this:

Manafort instructed Rick Gates, his deputy on the Campaign and a longtime employee to provide Kilimnik with updates on the Trump Campaign-including internal polling data, although Manafort claims not to recall that specific instruction. Manafort expected Kilimnik to share that information with others in Ukraine and with Deripaska. Gates periodically sent such polling data to Kilimnik during the campaign.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

In fact, it's so damning, it got its own footnote:

As noted in Volume I, Section III.D. l .b, supra, Gates pleaded guilty to two criminal charges in the District of Columbia, including making a false statement to the FBI, pursuant to a plea agreement. He has provided information and in-court testimony that the Office has deemed to be reliable. See also Transcript at 16, United States v. Paul J Manafort, Jr., l :17-cr-201 (D.D.C. Feb. 13, 2019), Doc. 514 ("Manafort 2/13/19 Transcript") (court's explanation of reasons to credit Oates's statements in one instance).
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
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And AGAIN... Mueller summarizes that Manafort "expected" something of Kilimnik. That is not evidence of something happening. That is Mueller making an assumption. Again, your footnote is meaningless to this conversation.

I think perhaps you should look up the word evidence. you clearly lack an understanding of the term.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-24/manafort-kilimnik-polling

"Mueller’s office also didn’t identify evidence that Manafort’s sharing of polling data was connected to Russia’s meddling in the campaign."

I am not the only one stating this. You need to learn what words mean before you use them.
 
Superfreak said:
The man he shared the data with is Ukrainian, not Russian
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Manafort stayed in touch with these contacts during the campaign period through Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort employee who previously ran Manafort's office in Kiev and who the FBI assesses to have ties to Russian intelligence.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

If you read the Mueller report, you wouldn't make such obvious lies.

Because you made such obvious lies, we cannot trust you to speak honestly about anything here.

You've lied so much in this thread, that I don't believe you even know what it means to tell the truth.
 
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