Talking points are rhetoric which usually have little to do with actual policies. However, I might if Democrats nominate anybody other than Biden. Or, just go Libertarian again.
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Talking points are rhetoric which usually have little to do with actual policies. However, I might if Democrats nominate anybody other than Biden. Or, just go Libertarian again.
cawacko
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Having lived in California for 35 years I've gotten to witness both its greatness and its faults. Ideology blinds people of all political persuasions (myself included) but pretty amazing the lengths someone is willing to go to deny what the supplemental poverty measure says (and is pretty clear to anyone who lives here) about California and poverty.
Flash, nominal changes to rev-GDP have massive changes in terms of real dollars. You can't pay for health care with a percentage. You pay for it with dollars.
The poverty rate*, when you say it, should have an asterisk after it because you're withholding vital exculpatory information about that rate to make a bad faith argument.
Agreed. And if the supplemental measure includes things like students receiving financial aid for college that same measure is being applied in all other states and should not increase the relative poverty in CA any more than any other state.
One of the criticisms of the poverty rate was that it did not include government benefits. If I am listed under the poverty level at $20,000 but receive SNAP, WIC, housing assistance, home energy assistance, school lunches, and Medicaid that is probably at least $10,000 and I am no longer under the poverty threshold (plus child support).
Flash, you literally said that billionaires earn their wealth honestly.
I gave you an example of the Sacklers, showing that isn't the case.
So you do that all the time; you start off saying something vague and broad and then spend the rest of your time redefining what you meant.
Literally this is the "words don't mean what they mean" argument now.
Just because you're lazy doesn't mean I'm a bad guy for pointing that laziness out.
You didn't say there were crooks among billionaires, you literally said "They earned their money honestly and should not be looked down upon by others who are jealous of their success."
You didn't say anything about some. You said an absolute because you're lazy and you use lazy talking points.
Sure I can!
If you cut spending and don't replace that spending in the economy, you do what to the economy? CONTRACT IT.
You assume, magically, that every $1 cut in federal spending is somehow compensated at an equal $1 rate in the private sector but that is not the case at all.
If you remove government spending, what are you replacing that spending with? Nothing. You're just contracting spending in the economy, which results in an economic contraction.
You are out of your depth here.
It is considered the more accurate measurement since cost-of-living certainly affects the poverty level of a family. It only gives a more realistic picture of poverty across the country. And I said in my original post that CA has the highest poverty level in the country when adjusted for cost of living (*). The cost of living in not exculpatory but more accurate information.
Accuse the Census Bureau using the Bureau of Labor Statistics data for the bad faith.
Great. We don't need or want your vote, so go fuck yourself.
Cawacko, you're a fucking moron who didn't even know what the supplemental poverty rate was until I told you.
You stupidly thought it was just the regular poverty rate.
Then when it's explained to you what it actually is, you ignore that information because you're lazy, disingenuous, or both.
What it does is lump in middle class families as below the poverty line because the get things like financial assistance on tuition.
Yes, I "literally" said that. But again, being lazy and not taking the time to type out what everyone else already understands is two different things. In an earlier discussion I used the term "almost" just for you but you still tried to claim I was saying "all."
OK. One more time. The great majority of all Americans--millionaires, billionaires, those in the top 1%, etc. earn the money honestly. Some do not and we all understand that. If you have any evidence to the contrary then let us know--the Sacklers is an example of one of the dishonest ones and does not disprove my point.
You are using that tired old liberal cliche---"there are no self-made men"
Could?
By cutting government spending, you're pulling spending out of the economy and you're wishing to the invisible hand that spending is replaced at least 1:1. But look at the spending you're cutting...how will it be replaced by consumer spending in the economy? If you cut SNAP, how is that replaced in the consumer economy with spending? If you cut heating assistance, how is that spending replaced in the economy? It's not. Cutting spending in one place doesn't increase spending in another. That's not how the economy works.
Emotional argument; not grounded in any reason.
It doesn't encourage colleges to raise their costs because public colleges are free in this proposal.
So...they don't do that already? The rich people are paying taxes now, how come they aren't avoiding it? Is there a magic number where they will suddenly stop paying taxes they've already been paying?
by an actual economist, that shows how much a wealth tax would actually generate. I know you don't like economists, because they aren't emotional basket cases like you, but their findings are pretty air-tight. They also account for avoidance.
Only because you seek to make it so...like I said, your economics are pretty weak to non-existent here. A sober look at the data and economics, though...
Very mature response.
This must be an example of the "inhumane" action cawacko said I would asked to perform if I presented disagreeable facts or opinions.
Is LV426 a liberal planet?
There are no self-made men...they have to rely on others to help them achieve their wealth. Unless you think Bill Gates is single-handedly doing everything at Microsoft.
How do you know that? How can you say that? You can't. This is another goalpost that you are going to move, aren't you?
Look, you're trying to make it seem like it's important we consider your emotions when it comes to the economy and the vote, and I'm telling you that no one cares or gives a shit.
So go ahead and vote for Donald fucking Duck if you want; doesn't make a lick of difference to me. You're not a reliable voter anyway; you're someone who thinks he's entitled to people accommodating your bad faith.
WTF are you talking about? Clinton raised taxes and increased spending 25% over his term and ended with a budget surplus that you morons erased with tax cuts.
Your argument for tax cuts is that it "lets people keep more of what they earn" (which it doesn't, household debt always increases and personal savings always declines after tax cuts), which is the "pay for themselves" argument which is the "cutting tax revenue increases tax revenue" argument.
And the Russia Tax Cut didn't start on the FISCAL YEAR, it started on the CALENDAR YEAR.
OMFG, I literally showed you the example from Kansas; the state cut education spending because the tax cuts unbalanced the budget, and the State Board of Regents increased their tuition to account for that drop in funding. That resulted in families having to borrow more to send their kids to state schools. That is literally an example of how a tax cut caused an increase in personal debt.
Did you get that tidbit of information from the Census Bureau or from Mother Jones, Raw Story, or some other source.
I cannot find that information in the methodology on the Census Bureau explanation. I think those things are counted as additions to income and not as additions to poverty. I find nothing about Pell or any educational grants.
ADDITIONS
Social Security
Refundable tax credits
SNAP
SSI
Housing subsidies
Child support received
School lunch
TANF/general assistance
Unemployment insurance
LIHEAP
Workers’ compensation
WIC
SUBTRACTIONS
Child support paid
Federal income tax
FICA
Work expenses
Medical expenses