PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Howdy ziggy,
That's easy.
As soon as the President is forced to stop obstructing justice.
That's easy.
As soon as the President is forced to stop obstructing justice.
The People's House Openly Examines Misconduct: Happy Trump Impeachment Hearings Day!!
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Darth Omar
Russian asset
The way this is looking it may not matter lol.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hi ziggy,
Gaetz was the bully. He glared at her. He raised his voice. He asked her a question and then interrupted her when she was two words into her response.
Gaetz was the bully. He glared at her. He raised his voice. He asked her a question and then interrupted her when she was two words into her response.
I'd like to chime in on Turley's misrepresentation of what constitutes assent or an agreement and the requirement of proof.
I will use an example of a valid contract:
I walk into a crowded grocer that I frequent, the line is long with many people in line with carts full. I only have a single apple.
I catch the grocers eye and point to the apple as I walk towards the exit, and I point to the apple and he looks at me
and nods and I exit, neither having said a word to the other, much less having declared a "quid pro quo," negotiated the price, or paid the consideration.
Yet I have just entered into a legally binding contract to pay a reasonable price to the grocer for an apple. I didn't say, I'm tired and I just want an
apple can I have it and pay you later. He didn't say, OK, that's reasonable, I hereby sell you the apple. I don't need Trump to have SAID
quid pro quo. I don't need to have Zelensky affirm he understood Trump to mean quid pro quo. I can, do and will infer the meaning based
upon the totality of the circumstances and what people said he said, how he acts, Trump's custom and practices etc etc...
The transcript MORE than establishes a quid pro quo demand under existing legal theory, not that Turley or Gaetz should care about the law or anything.
None of you clown Repukes get this because Trump may as well be your baby boy in a murder trial and you don't WANT to believe it.
I will use an example of a valid contract:
I walk into a crowded grocer that I frequent, the line is long with many people in line with carts full. I only have a single apple.
I catch the grocers eye and point to the apple as I walk towards the exit, and I point to the apple and he looks at me
and nods and I exit, neither having said a word to the other, much less having declared a "quid pro quo," negotiated the price, or paid the consideration.
Yet I have just entered into a legally binding contract to pay a reasonable price to the grocer for an apple. I didn't say, I'm tired and I just want an
apple can I have it and pay you later. He didn't say, OK, that's reasonable, I hereby sell you the apple. I don't need Trump to have SAID
quid pro quo. I don't need to have Zelensky affirm he understood Trump to mean quid pro quo. I can, do and will infer the meaning based
upon the totality of the circumstances and what people said he said, how he acts, Trump's custom and practices etc etc...
The transcript MORE than establishes a quid pro quo demand under existing legal theory, not that Turley or Gaetz should care about the law or anything.
None of you clown Repukes get this because Trump may as well be your baby boy in a murder trial and you don't WANT to believe it.
Not one. It's an abomination that the Democrats continue to promote which is doing nothing for Americans and tearing the nation apart. Sad day really. Pathetic that anyone would be happy about this clown show. You have to have an IQ of 9 to cheer such stupidity.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
I just learned an interesting factoid. OK, so around 31% of Americans strongly support Donald Trump. And about another 12% favor him over any Democrat.
31%. That's about the same number of people who thought Obama should be impeached in 2014.
For doing ?
I mean, it was never in question. Obama never did anything impeachable but still we had this percentage who wanted him impeached anyway.
So of course that same group of people are never going to admit that Trump EVER should be impeached, right?
What do you wanna bet Gaetz is in that group.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
That was a bad witness for Democrats.
She could barely conceal her disdain for Trump or his supporters and dragged Trump’s underage son into it.
That’s going to turn off independents.
Turley: Rather they are meant to drive home a simple point: one can oppose President Trump’s policies or actions but still conclude that the current legal case for impeachment is not just woefully inadequate, but in some respects, dangerous, as the basis for the impeachment of an American president.
No question about it. No minds are being moved. They can't be. Trump is their baby boy on trial for murder and they wub wub wub him,
and they will lie, lie,lie as long and hard as it takes to save him, oath be damned, truth be damned, shame be damned. They don't care
a flying fuck what he did or does. They care about America very deeply, except they think only they are America and only he is America.
So whatever he does is American, and anything done against him is unamerican.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Turley just said is not that you can't impeach, it's that you should make it a more drawn out procedure and spend more time gathering information.
I agree.
Republicans are demanding that we slow down and make sure there is bipartisan support.
Would they support hearing from first hand witnesses?
They have yet to show it.
They have complained that none of the witnesses have first hand information.
They should at least support hearing from those witnesses who have the information they seek.
Instead of being afraid of Donald Trump's tweets!
I agree.
Republicans are demanding that we slow down and make sure there is bipartisan support.
Would they support hearing from first hand witnesses?
They have yet to show it.
They have complained that none of the witnesses have first hand information.
They should at least support hearing from those witnesses who have the information they seek.
Instead of being afraid of Donald Trump's tweets!
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
I agree she should not have done that.
And if Trump fans seize upon this one moment, make a big deal out of that mistake, it shows that they really know deep down in their heart of hearts that Trump is guilty, and they are just looking for something, anything to distract attention away from what is overwhelmingly obvious: Trump is guilty.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
It’s up to Democrats to speed up or slow down lol.
I believe ‘slipshod’ is the word Professor Turley used describe the impeachment. But Democrats need to hurry because it’s so close to the election. The longer they wait the more people are going to ask ‘why don’t we just allow voters to settle this since it’s so close to the election?’
What a great question.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Micawber,
When they fool themselves into thinking most people support Trump, by saying: "people don't think he should be impeached," they are only talking about their fellow partisan Republicans. They simply cannot accept in their heads that America also includes a lot of other people who are very different from them.
And now it comes to this. There is clear impeachable evidence right in front of their faces and they are blinded to it by propaganda.
You know darn well, too, that there are Republicans out there who have their doubts. But they are afraid to speak up and say anything because Trump could destroy them with a tweet.
It is a party held together by fear.
How sad.
No question about it. No minds are being moved. They can't be. Trump is their baby boy on trial for murder and they wub wub wub him,
and they will lie, lie,lie as long and hard as it takes to save him, oath be damned, truth be damned, shame be damned. They don't care
a flying fuck what he did or does. They care about America very deeply, except they think only they are America and only he is America.
So whatever he does is American, and anything done against him is unamerican.
When they fool themselves into thinking most people support Trump, by saying: "people don't think he should be impeached," they are only talking about their fellow partisan Republicans. They simply cannot accept in their heads that America also includes a lot of other people who are very different from them.
And now it comes to this. There is clear impeachable evidence right in front of their faces and they are blinded to it by propaganda.
You know darn well, too, that there are Republicans out there who have their doubts. But they are afraid to speak up and say anything because Trump could destroy them with a tweet.
It is a party held together by fear.
How sad.
Yes it really does surprise me. I thought there would be a Julius Caesar murder by the Senate long ago. It has not happened.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Darth,
That's not what Turley was alluding to at all.
He said it is rushed, and if done properly should take longer. He didn't talk about the consideration of how close the next election is. And why should he? Impeachment was never intended to be up to a popular vote, nor an electoral college vote. The Power of Impeachment lies with the House.
I don't understand why the Democrats are afraid to have impeachment run into the election. And how they think they can control that once it is released to the Senate. If a long impeachment trial is bad for Democrats and the Republican Senate controls how long that takes, then guess what? We are going to have a long impeachment trial anyway. So Democrats should just slow down, take in more information, gather more evidence, and prepare more thorough articles of impeachment before sending it over to the Senate.
They need to get Trump's taxes and his financial records and investigate him for tax evasion and fraud. He's already charged with both in Panama City and his Hotel was stripped of his name and taken away from him for it. I am certain he is guilty of both crimes here in the USA as well.
Personally, I think Senator's doing their job and sitting on impeachment hearings as excellent campaigning. Anybody who wants Trump gone is going to vote for those Senators who are on TV doing their job to get rid of Trump. It's free publicity during the campaign.
That's not what Turley was alluding to at all.
He said it is rushed, and if done properly should take longer. He didn't talk about the consideration of how close the next election is. And why should he? Impeachment was never intended to be up to a popular vote, nor an electoral college vote. The Power of Impeachment lies with the House.
I don't understand why the Democrats are afraid to have impeachment run into the election. And how they think they can control that once it is released to the Senate. If a long impeachment trial is bad for Democrats and the Republican Senate controls how long that takes, then guess what? We are going to have a long impeachment trial anyway. So Democrats should just slow down, take in more information, gather more evidence, and prepare more thorough articles of impeachment before sending it over to the Senate.
They need to get Trump's taxes and his financial records and investigate him for tax evasion and fraud. He's already charged with both in Panama City and his Hotel was stripped of his name and taken away from him for it. I am certain he is guilty of both crimes here in the USA as well.
Personally, I think Senator's doing their job and sitting on impeachment hearings as excellent campaigning. Anybody who wants Trump gone is going to vote for those Senators who are on TV doing their job to get rid of Trump. It's free publicity during the campaign.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
It’s both rushed and ‘slipshod’ for reasons that should be obvious.
There should have never been anything with the word ‘impeachment’ in it *until* actual facts were in hand and material witnesses were heard from. All Democrats have are opinions of witnesses—none of them have any actual evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Trump.
With Nixon the break-in was a hard fact. With Clinton he clearly lied about not having sex with that woman. Those were facts that were beyond debate. The only debate to be had was whether they rose to impeachable offenses. And here Democrats are rushing to get Trump impeached in the fact-gathering stage. What if Democrats get to the Senate only to find out they don’t have what they think they had?
Here’s a suggestion for Democrats: don’t go to the senate with your case still in the fact gathering stage.
He blustered like Jim Jordan, all accusation and outrage.