Teflon Don
I'm back baby
That depends on how far along their diabetes is
I get it. You have a political agenda to try to make EVERY death COVID related.
Shows what a wus virus this really is. But it is mostly killing blue states so.......
CDC guidelines issued march 24 say basically "Call every death covid".
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That depends on how far along their diabetes is
I get it. You have a political agenda to try to make EVERY death COVID related.
Shows what a wus virus this really is. But it is mostly killing blue states so.......
Darth Omar
Russian asset
Yes lol?
Trump is essentially a lay person and can only follow the advice of the experts.
When it comes to COVID19 *the have had* group is AWOL in the data. Until there is at least a ball park estimate of the number of individuals who *have had* a COVID infection YOU CANNOT KNOW the mortality rate. And the fact there is such a high percentage of asymptomatic/mildly afflicted carriers the *have had* number is almost certainly quite large.
The *have hads* are also a critical value in knowing how near or far away we are from herd immunity. Wouldn’t it be nice to know that the peak of Round Two of COVID19 will be less severe than the first round? Wouldn’t that help the federal government in recommending measures to the states and regions?
Maybe not kill out economy in Round 2?
Or even better, if a sufficient number of individuals *have already had* COVID, then herd immunity may already be kicking in or getting ready to. A person who is only infecting .8 people instead of 2.1 spells doom for an epidemic.
From watching this, I suspect this virus has been in our population longer than the experts know. Or maybe than they’re capable of knowing.
In which case, Trump is getting ‘suboptimal’ advice.
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Here's the real CDC scam straight from their own site............
Total cases: 374,329
Total deaths: 12,064
Jurisdictions reporting cases: 55 (50 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, and the U.S. Virgin Islands)
* Data include both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19 reported to CDC or tested at CDC since January 21, 2020.
So, we're back to what the ICD10 showed that I posted earlier. CDC is giving us some huge number every day which is a
COMBINED total of “suspected,” “possible,” “probable,” or “inconclusive" cases. One big lump sum, no real hard data on the
breakdown of CONFIRMED CASES and merely SUSPECTED CASES. The media runs with the bogus number of every known
respiratory event (Covid related or not) to keep the fear factor on a perpetual treadmill.
Stupid fuck, I deal in reality.
A person with years of heart disease, asthma, diabetes, cancer etc. that contract COVID and dies within two weeks, didn’t die of those other illnesses. They died from the virus.
Your massive stupidity is legendary.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
The reality is COVID death statistics are handled in a way seasonal flu deaths aren’t and Dr. Birx said as much.
Teflon Don
I'm back baby
How do you know they didn't? Were you there for the autopsy?
Learn what attributable mortality is. The CDC is giving guidance to call everything a COVID death. Bogus
bump for the bumpkins
Interesting concession about a guy who also foments distrust of experts to feed his army of dedicated gnats.
Exactly. Don't forget that Rod Rosenstein's sister is head of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease.
She needs to be fired.
Trump doesn’t follow advice, remember, he’s the Chosen One, I alone can fix this.
Indeed.
New ICD code introduced for COVID-19 deaths
This email is to alert you that a newly-introduced ICD code has been implemented to accurately capture mortality data for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) on death certificates. Please read carefully and forward this email to the state statistical staff in your office who are involved in the preparation of mortality data, as well as others who may receive questions when the data are released.
What is the new code?
The new ICD code for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) is U07.1, and below is how it will appear in formal tabular list format. U07.1 COVID-19 Excludes: Coronavirus infection, unspecified site (B34.2) Severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS], unspecified (U04.9) The WHO has provided a second code, U07.2, for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available. Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.
When will it be implemented?
Immediately.
Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?
The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.
What happens if certifiers report terms other than the suggested terms?
If a death certificate reports coronavirus without identifying a specific strain or explicitly specifying that it is not COVID-19, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify whether or not the coronavirus was COVID-19. As long as the phrase used indicates the 2019 coronavirus strain, NCHS expects to assign the new code. However, it is preferable and more straightforward for certifiers to use the standard terminology (COVID-19).
What happens if the terms reported on the death certificate indicate uncertainty?
If the death certificate reports terms such as “probable COVID-19” or “likely COVID-19,” these terms would be assigned the new ICD code. It Is not likely that NCHS will follow up on these cases.
If “pending COVID-19 testing” is reported on the death certificate, this would be considered a pending record. In this scenario, NCHS would expect to receive an updated record, since the code will likely result in R99. In this case, NCHS will ask the states to follow up to verify if test results confirmed that the decedent had COVID-19.
Do I need to make any changes at the jurisdictional level to accommodate the new ICD code?
Not necessarily, but you will want to confirm that your systems and programs do not behave as if U07.1 is an unknown code.
Should “COVID-19” be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?
COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. Certifiers should include as much detail as possible based on their knowledge of the case, medical records, laboratory testing, etc. If the decedent had other chronic conditions such as COPD or asthma that may have also contributed, these conditions can be reported in Part II. (See attached Guidance for Certifying COVID-19 Deaths)
Steven Schwartz, PhD Director – Division of Vital Statistics National Center for Health Statistics 3311 Toledo Rd | Hyattsville, MD 20782
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2020-03-18-new-covid-19-icd-10-cm-code-coming-earlier
Not necessarily true. In any event, when was the last time you had a "flu test?" Never, amirite? The world is full of people who suffer flu and never seek professional treatment and even if they do, never
get a flu test. Doctor says, well you may have a flu, gives you z-pac in caution pats you on your noggin and sends you home.
Flu stats suffer from the same affliction you are using to make hay about with covid.
Try again. I like your slow ball BP. It's a home run derby for me.
I translated it for ya!
Has the CDC issued coding guidance that instructs statisticians to assume that deaths were a result of influenza?
Never, amirite?
Yes, he definitely has a wicked and authentic case of that old man eye rolling distrust and everything I don't understand is a scam mentality his base love, loves, loves.
I don't know how they captured data during other national emergencies. In any event, I'm not addressing your new point until you acknowledge my overarching
and issue conclusive one. More people have covid 19 and are undetected than could possibly be intentionally misdiagnosed. More people have covid and die undetected
than can possibly die in care and be misapplied or miscategorized also. The numbers are grossly underestimated, not overestimated, foolish mortal.
No I didn't. And that fallacy is inapplicable. Go back to logic 101 or philosophy class and circle back with me.