54% Say Administration Is Major Source Of Corona Misinformation

[Into the Night]

Covid-19 is not a flu virus. It is not only a different species of virus, it is in a totally different family of species. It is like confusing a elephant and a bumble bee. There are some dangerous strains of flu viruses out there, and there are many other viruses out there of danger.

I am no immunologist or virologist, and even they do not have all the answers. But we can see that you are a fake, and your answers are complete nonsense.

It is a flu.

 

[Into the Night]

Honestly, it really is not.

Obviously, you wish to deny the numbers from CDC and the US Census.

Using your numbers we would only have a 4,000 or 1,000 dead (your claims are not even consistent on that), and only 1,000 people with the illness. I think maybe you did not multiple by 100 to get percent, but there appear to be other mistakes in there making it hard to see where you went wrong.

Base rate fallacy (math error). Totals are not rates.

So you make some huge math mistakes,

Inversion fallacy.

and then go on to claim the numbers are predictions rather than so far.

Lie. I have never claimed any number is a prediction.

If so far, 0.0274% of Americans have died (not 0.000274%), that does not mean you only have a 0.0274% chance of dying. It means you had a 0.0274% chance so far, and have an unknown chance in the future.

Base rate fallacy.

Getting the math wrong makes me think that you are getting this wrong too. And your high confidence about things the real experts are unsure of makes me know you are wrong.

Source: N95 specifications.

There are peer reviewed studies

Science does not use consensus. There is no 'elite' voting bloc in science. A study is not a proof. See the N95 specifications. These masks do not stop viruses. Cloth masks do not stop them either.

showing a huge reductions in transmission of influenza,

Argument by randU fallacy. Invalid proof by opinion.

and Coronaviruses with even simple masks.

N95 and cloth masks don't stop viruses.

And there are preliminary studies showing huge reductions in transmission of this particular strain of Coronavirus with even simple masks.

A study is not a proof. Invalid proof by opinion.

It is mostly about preventing infections of others.

They don't.

There is a high degree of confidence that masks and social distancing helps. There is not a complete knowledge of how much it helps.

Masks don't stop viruses. 6 feet does not stop a virus.

 

[Into the Night]

Covid-19 is not a flu. It has some similar symptoms, but also many very different symptoms. The CDC and the WHO are not calling it a flu.

Night is a veritable fount of misinformation.

Both have called Covid viruses 'flu'.

 

[Bill]

Devil's Lake State Park, for starters.


Most weekends (weather permitting).


My point exactly. In my few years of regular hiking, I have never once seen anyone wearing a mask while hiking until recently.


The SOTC needs to manage their forests better so that fires like that wouldn't be an issue. We actually manage our land here in Wisconsin.

Good you're hiking, love it & snow shoeing, kayaking, rafting..

Here it is a real cluster fuck & lots of it-state, county/regional fed forestry, National Parks, Bureau of Land Management, etc.....

They are finally starting to do more control burns & tree cutting/thinning..

 

[Into the Night]

Hear that folks, doctors have been wearing masks in surgeries for over a century just because they are "hypochondriac dorks".

Nope. They wear masks because surgery can be messy. It does not protect either the patient or the doctor from viruses.

In the real world, surgical masks reduce transmission, and N95 masks protect the wearer.

Not from viruses. They are good for protecting from splashes, dust, and similar contaminants. They will not prevent you from contracting Covid-19.

Viruses are good at hiding in the cracks from cleaning.

Use alcohol, detergent, or peroxide, whichever is compatible with the surface.

Giving a smooth surface makes cleaning easier.

Yes it does.

Also the plastic can just be thrown out.

It isn't. It's just permanently taped on there.

Moving in one direction allows for social distancing. It is possible to keep 6 feet apart if people are moving in one direction down an isle, but not if they are passing each other.

Nope. People stop to pick up items. Others are passing them. People are ignoring the one way signs anyway. They know how ridiculous they are.

While 6 feet of distancing does mean the line takes up more length space wise, it does not make the actual line longer number of waiting people wise. 6 feet or more makes a real difference in infections rates.

6 feet does not stop a virus.

Humans care what is essential and what is not.

Bullshit. Explain the recreational enemas that people in the SOTC do to themselves in the name of 'cleaning out the gut'. Explain the desire some have to own and fly aircraft. Explain why people buy fancy cars.

I am losing interest in you.

Too bad. You bulverism is showing. That's a fallacy, dude.

If you will admit you were wrong on many of your previous posts, we can start talking again.

No deal. Go away then.

 

[Into the Night]

If you want a quick way to find out if someone is a quack: if they refer to Covid-19 as a flu, they have no basis in science.

Who said government had a basis in science, Katz?

 

[Walt]

Use alcohol, detergent, or peroxide, whichever is compatible with the surface.

Viruses are famously small, and nearly impossible to clean out of some cracks. Rusty iron is famously impossible to ever get fully clean.

With an ATM, I would assume the buttons would present a problem cleaning. Even if you could get the alcohol into the button cracks, it would damage the electronics.

Maybe we should have designed ATMs with more smooth surfaces. I used to write point of sale software, so dealt with the hardware designers of similar devices. I can tell you that ten years ago, none of these possibilities were being considered, but now people are redesigning everything. It takes time, and a sheet of plastic is a reasonable stop gap solution.

 

[Walt]

Who said government had a basis in science, Katz?

I was saying you are not basing your posts on science, not that anyone else was.

 

[cancel2 2022]

Viruses are famously small, and nearly impossible to clean out of some cracks. Rusty iron is famously impossible to ever get fully clean.

With an ATM, I would assume the buttons would present a problem cleaning. Even if you could get the alcohol into the button cracks, it would damage the electronics.

Maybe we should have designed ATMs with more smooth surfaces. I used to write point of sale software, so dealt with the hardware designers of similar devices. I can tell you that ten years ago, none of these possibilities were being considered, but now people are redesigning everything. It takes time, and a sheet of plastic is a reasonable stop gap solution.

You do make me laugh, ATMs are built to withstand the elements yet you think a quick spray with isopropyl alcohol could kill the electronics!!

 

[RB 60]

You do make me laugh, ATMs are built to withstand the elements yet you think a quick spray with isopropyl alcohol could kill the electronics!!

I've used alcohol to clean electronics for years because it evaporates rather quickly (unless you dump half the bottle on it!) and it hasn't had any ill effects on anything.

 

[Walt]

You do make me laugh, ATMs are built to withstand the elements yet you think a quick spray with isopropyl alcohol could kill the electronics!!

One thing you learn in life is there is a massive difference between waterproof and weatherproof. Your house is weatherproof, but if you throw it into a lake, it will sink, because it is not waterproof.

Well, virus proof is even more difficult. The rubber gaskets that are waterproof are great places for the viruses to hide.

Lenin said, "there are decades where nothing happens and weeks where decades happen", well it feels like decades are happening every week in design. It is fascinating to watch how they are trying to defeat viruses now.

 

[Concart]

Yes they did, Katz.

Posted by a liar fallacy. Neither CDC nor WHO ever called Covid-19 a 'flu'.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Walt,

Viruses are famously small, and nearly impossible to clean out of some cracks. Rusty iron is famously impossible to ever get fully clean.

Coronavirus particles are about 125 nm in size. I had to laugh during the discussion about opening up beaches when somebody remarked that there were no hard surfaces for the virus to settle on at the beach. I immediately pictured in my mind a 125 nm particle next to a grain of sand. It would look like an aircraft carrier to a BB. (Actually more drastic than that.)

Something to think about before letting your children play in the sand where others have recently been.

With an ATM, I would assume the buttons would present a problem cleaning. Even if you could get the alcohol into the button cracks, it would damage the electronics.

Maybe we should have designed ATMs with more smooth surfaces.

There are touch-screen ATMs, but you do have to insert your card into the same slot that everybody else uses.

For the last 2 months, I have routinely worn gloves when using a card, and then used sanitizer on the exterior of the gloves, and the card immediately afterward.

I have also adopted the habit of 'laundering money.' I have found that it is completely fine with being wiped with alcohol. Dries out just fine, and rather rapidly.

Transactions in general have been kept to a minimum. Pretty much just getting food and gas and little else.

 

[Earl]

The source of the virus from China is China. They lied about the source and their number of fatalities. They would not share data with our health professionals that might have mitigated their virus from China. They nailed shut the doors of those with the virus from China They did not stop flights out of China and the virus from China spread around the world.

China must be held accountable for the hundreds of thousands of deaths and the economic loss around the world.

Count on the far left loon apologists to defend China and falsely blame it on our great president whose closure of flights from China saved countless lives.

The president is following the advice of the health professionals and the states are opening their economies following the guidelines.

 

[Earl]

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[gfm7175]

Well, I apparently know more than you. This is not an influenza virus. Next?

It is not an orthomyxovirus, but it IS a flu.

 

[gfm7175]

The point is the vehicle the virus rides on is hampered by a mask. Your droplets of water in exhaling and sneezing are kept in.. Otherwise, they can float in the air and land on common surfaces.. Yes indeed, masks are an important component in inhibiting the virus spread.

Droplets are not the only mode of infection.
Masks are not 100% effective vs droplets.

Masks don't do much for this particular purpose outside of making one look like a hypochondriatic doofus.

 

[gfm7175]

Most of what burns in the SOTC is grasslands, but it does get into the forests as well. You are, however essentially correct. Managing the grass and vegetation around cities and towns as has been done in the past would do a lot to stop fires from destroying said cities and towns.

Indeed, grasslands are a big component as well. Controlled burns do a world of wonders in preventing such fires. We do controlled burns in Wisconsin. We don't have wildfire issues here.

 

[gfm7175]

Covid-19 is not a flu virus.

It is a flu.

It is not only a different species of virus, it is in a totally different family of species.

It is a coronavirus rather than an orthomyxovirus, but it is still a flu.

It is like confusing a elephant and a bumble bee.

More like a fly and a bumble bee.

There are some dangerous strains of flu viruses out there, and there are many other viruses out there of danger.

And?

I am no immunologist or virologist,

I can tell.

and even they do not have all the answers. But we can see that you are a fake, and your answers are complete nonsense.

What about them is "complete nonsense"?

 

[Into the Night]

Viruses are famously small, and nearly impossible to clean out of some cracks.

Impossible, actually.

Rusty iron is famously impossible to ever get fully clean.

It's easy. It's called smelting. It you want to remove corrosion, that's pretty easy too. It can be mechanically removed, chemically removed, or both. I remove corrosion (including rust) from aircraft all the time. I'm an aircraft mechanic. Some of this stuff has been flying for over 70 years. People like me keep them flying.

With an ATM, I would assume the buttons would present a problem cleaning.

Not at all. They are easy to clean.

Even if you could get the alcohol into the button cracks, it would damage the electronics.

Alcohol does not damage electronics. Indeed, it is used to remove solder flux (which is corrosive), clean enclosures, clean recording heads, and clean switch contacts of all kinds.

Maybe we should have designed ATMs with more smooth surfaces.

Unnecessary, and membrane switches have their own problems.

I used to write point of sale software, so dealt with the hardware designers of similar devices.

Ah. Another software guy thinking he knows about hardware. No, a programmer generally knows nothing about electronics, not even about the electronics in the computer he is developing on, even if he 'built is own machine'.

I can tell you that ten years ago, none of these possibilities were being considered, but now people are redesigning everything.

Unnecessary. No one is reaching in behind buttons on an ATM, unless it's to service the machine.

It takes time, and a sheet of plastic is a reasonable stop gap solution.

it doesn't do a damn thing, especially when holes are cut in the bag for credit card slots. You think those credit and debit cards are sterile?