End of the line for noted traitor Robert E Lee

[LV426]

One union soldier and one Confederate went to a hardware store and bought a hatchet.
They literally "buried the hatchet" in the dirt
Now 150 years lter the Cultural Revolution has seen fit to dig it back up and start wielding it again

Because you seem to have forgotten what the reason for the war was, and why the Confederates fought it.

 

[anatta]

Because you seem to have forgotten what the reason for the war was, and why the Confederates fought it.

"We have found one another again as brothers and comrades in arms, enemies no longer, generous friends rather,
our battles long past, the quarrel forgotten—except that we shall not forget the splendid valor.”

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

JFC.
the morals shift with time .the moral of Gettysburg is also the reconcilliation between the soldiers.
And the country
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One union soldier and one Confederate went to a hardware store and bought a hatchet.
They literally "buried the hatchet" in the dirt
Now 150 years lter the Cultural Revolution has seen fit to dig it back up and start wielding it again

The thing is, it's not the Northerners or Southerners digging it back up. I'd say most of us agree with each other.
I'd never put up a Rebel flag, put a bumper or window sticker on my automobile. But others are free to, IMO. Hell,
the left wants it to be OK to burn the American flag and remove all traces of the Rebel flag. They tear down, destroy
and vandalize monuments including (but not limited to) Christoper Columbus. WTF is their problem? Racism, that's what.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Because you seem to have forgotten what the reason for the war was, and why the Confederates fought it.

Why do you think Lincoln ordered the Union Army to attack Virginia and why do you think both Virginians and other states fought to defend against the invasion?

Do you think Lincoln was lying in his letter to Horace Greeley or do you think it's "fake news"?

Do you believe war should be among the first considerations or the last consideration?

 

[Cypress]

Again, Gettysburg is where the most lives were lost during the war. It should hold a reverent place in the hearts and minds of ALL Americans. It is up to them to reflect what it means to each individual.
And once again, the "morality" is a non-factor at Gettysburg. The battle fields, museums and monuments reflect nothing more than the battle there, and the turning point of the war.

President Abraham Lincoln understood that the real meaning of Gettysburg was about more than just battlefield tactics and a mathematical accounting of dead bodies.

Abraham Lincoln understood the battle was a reflection of deep and profound moral values and principles.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863

 

[anatta]

President Abraham Lincoln understood that the real meaning of Gettysburg was about more than just battlefield tactics and a mathematical accounting of dead bodies.

Abraham Lincoln understood the battle was a reflection of deep and profound moral values and principles.

Lincol advocated Reconstruction and reconcilliation as well

 

[anatta]

The thing is, it's not the Northerners or Southerners digging it back up. I'd say most of us agree with each other.
I'd never put up a Rebel flag, put a bumper or window sticker on my automobile. But others are free to, IMO. Hell,
the left wants it to be OK to burn the American flag and remove all traces of the Rebel flag. They tear down, destroy
and vandalize monuments including (but not limited to) Christoper Columbus. WTF is their problem? Racism, that's what.

there are a bunch of Marxists mixed in with ANTIFA - I know this for sure; Im a FB friend with one in Portland - the center of ANTIFA ( if there is such a thing - where the movement is strongest)
They agitate for anarchy - other groups pick up on it and become useful idiots.etc.

The whole thing is very much like the Cultural Revolution by Mao; BLM and Antifa act as the Reg Guards

 

[Cypress]

Lincol advocated Reconstruction and reconcilliation as well

Good to know you agree with me that the real lesson of Gettysburg is about values and moral principles, not about battlefield tactics and Calvary charges.. Good to know you agree with me that the educational presentation at the Park is lacking.

I agree with Lincoln view of reconstruction and reconciliation. American soldiers were fighting to preserve the Union, not tear it apart.

France executed and imprisoned its Vichy traitors. But, Lincoln showed more leniency towards Confederate traitors. And that speaks well of his judgment.

 

[LV426]

Why do you think Lincoln ordered the Union Army to attack Virginia and why do you think both Virginians and other states fought to defend against the invasion?

Do you think Lincoln was lying in his letter to Horace Greeley or do you think it's "fake news"?

Do you believe war should be among the first considerations or the last consideration?

The South fired the first shot.

 

[LV426]

"We have found one another again as brothers and comrades in arms, enemies no longer, generous friends rather,
our battles long past, the quarrel forgotten—except that we shall not forget the splendid valor.”

Right, so why did the South fight the war?

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

President Abraham Lincoln understood that the real meaning of Gettysburg was about more than just battlefield tactics and a mathematical accounting of dead bodies.

Abraham Lincoln understood the battle was a reflection of deep and profound moral values and principles.

I am familiar with Lincoln's Gettysburg Address.
Maybe those of you who wish half of those honored (anywhere with memorials) be removed should read his address.
He was speaking of all who perished there, not just Union soldiers. He was speaking for, and to, ALL Americans.

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

Lincol advocated Reconstruction and reconcilliation as well

That was the whole point of his Gettysburg Address. To reunite the United States.
If those Southerners were hung for treason, it would have rekindled the war.
Lincoln knew that. Being the wise man he was, he welcomed the defeated South
back into the Union to preserve it.

 

[Cypress]

Right, so why did the South fight the war?

State of Mississippi - Declaration of Reasons for Secession, 1861

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.

That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp

 

[LV426]

State of Mississippi - Declaration of Reasons for Secession, 1861

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.

That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp

None of that is mentioned on their monuments and statues.

 

[moon]

State of Mississippi - Declaration of Reasons for Secession, 1861

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world.

Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.

That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp

You might as well say that Trump speaks for America.

 

[anatta]

That was the whole point of his Gettysburg Address. To reunite the United States.
If those Southerners were hung for treason, it would have rekindled the war.
Lincoln knew that. Being the wise man he was, he welcomed the defeated South
back into the Union to preserve it.

Lincoln was never about revenge, but many nothernors wanted just that -to punish the south.
Thankfully we didn't do that, and that allowed to wounds to heal within a generation

we didn't ignore the southern sucession was an ill formed attempt to keep slavery, but we moved on .
The war had answered that for good;the Constitution was amended and we became "the United States"
Before the war common parlance was "These United States" -so in effect the Union was reborn stronger then ever

 

[LV426]

Thankfully we didn't do that, and that allowed to wounds to heal within a generation

No, that opened the door to Klansmen, Jim Crow, and segregation. What wounds were healed? What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[LV426]

we didn't ignore the southern sucession was an ill formed attempt to keep slavery, but we moved on .

So "moving on" entails erecting monuments to the past and erasing history, how?

 

[LV426]

The war had answered that for good;the Constitution was amended and we became "the United States"
Before the war common parlance was "These United States" -so in effect the Union was reborn stronger then ever

Not thanks to the South. They resisted Reconstruction and implemented Jim Crow and Segregation.

None of that is on the plaques of the participation trophies that supposedly serve as "history".

 

[Rusty Bell 65]

Lincoln was never about revenge, but many nothernors wanted just that -to punish the south.
Thankfully we didn't do that, and that allowed to wounds to heal within a generation

we didn't ignore the southern sucession was an ill formed attempt to keep slavery, but we moved on .
The war had answered that for good;the Constitution was amended and we became "the United States"
Before the war common parlance was "These United States" -so in effect the Union was reborn stronger then ever

Very good summation.