FINALLY, someone steps up, defends a monument, and guns down Democrat terrorists

[Walt]

A DA's opinion is not a conviction, dumbass.

The DA is doing everything in his power to get Baca off. Baca has a lot of contacts in the DA's office. The fact is there is too much evidence to let Baca go scot free. He is going to have to do years in prison.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

With many of these people, the defense is that they were just following the morality of the time. Onate was considered a criminal in his own time. He was more brutal than the Spanish would allow.

One has to wonder why white people in New Mexico would want a statue of a Spanish criminal. Is it a threat to Hispanics?

No, Hispanics do not respect Onate.

 

[artichoke]

What the fuck does the Trump administration have to do with any of this? You really are too stupid to insult.

 

[artichoke]

I guess Arminius and his cohorts want a shooting war. It is disgusting.

YEARS of NON-STOP Democrat terrorism in every corner of the country, and the moment someone finally makes one of you garbage human beings swallow lead, you're "disgusted" at other people for wanting to fight back?

THAT'S what's disgusting here. Your terror-apologist scumbag dishonesty.

 

[artichoke]

You are a goofy righty revisionist. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...klan-has-never-ever-been-leftist-organization KKK has always been conservative.

1) Even DEMOCRATS have distanced themselves from this thoroughly debunked "anything to the right of Karl Marx is white supremacist" joke of a scam site you're hilariously admitting to basing your opinions on.

No wonder you're so misinformed.

2) This video explains everything that makes your statement an outright lie.

Try being more educated next time.

 

[artichoke]

The KKK was founded and funded by southern Democrats. That is historical fact.

 

[artichoke]

WASHINGTON — Facebook on Thursday removed advertisements posted on its platform by the Trump campaign that prominently featured a symbol used by Nazis to classify political prisoners during World War II, saying the imagery violated company policy. NYT

This is a today fact. ^^^

Wait, you're bringing up an (off-topic, diversionary) example of Fascistbook erroneously silencing and censoring someone (Antifa does regularly use that symbol, Fascistbook provably DID lie about and censor President Trump for correctly using an ANTIFA symbol, Fascistbook itself HAS this symbol among its own emojis, and the Anti-Defamation League DOES NOT have it listed as a recognized hate symbol) as an example of proof that Trump is some kind of Nazi...WHILE the country is being burnt down, cops are being murdered, and dissent is being lynched by ACTUAL NAZIS (fascist Antifa terrorists)...while also being one of the degenerates who supported the ACORN president, who marched down the street with the Black Panthers and rescued them from prosecution for armed voter intimidation at the polls during a major national election (caught on video)...and you're trying to position YOUR absurdly, hilariously self-discrediting deflection here as representing the "facts?"

What a fucking moron!

Notice how the endlessly smeared Breitbart is the only source out there that seems to have done its research and gotten this story right?

Meanwhile...

-Democrats support government-run everything.——Nazis support government-run everything.——President Trump stands for free markets, limited government.

-Democrats support gun confiscation.——Nazis support gun confiscation.——President Trump stands for armed, free citizens.

-Democrats support abortion.——Nazis support abortion.——President Trump is anti-abortion.

-Democrats support censorship.——Nazis support censorship.——President Trump stands for free speech.

-Democrats support nanny state handouts.——Nazis support nanny state handouts.——President Trump stands for self-reliance.

-Democrats support racist preferential treatment.——Nazis support racist preferential treatment.——President Trump stands for actual equality.

-Democrats support taxpayer-funded indoctrination.——Nazis support taxpayer-funded indoctrination.——President Trump stands for school choice, actual education.

-Democrats support illegal, unprovoked wars.——Nazis support illegal, unprovoked wars.——President Trump stands for historic progress toward peace, as with Korea.

-Democrats support no freedom of religion.——Nazis support no freedom of religion.——President Trump stands for free religious exercise.

-Democrats support rigged news media.——Nazis support rigged news media.——President Trump stands for freedom of the press.

-Democrats support propagandized entertainment.——Nazis support propagandized entertainment.——President Trump stands for agenda-free entertainment.

-Democrats support a rigged justice system.——Nazis support a rigged justice system.——President Trump stands for equal protection under the law.

-Democrats support persecution of dissent.——Nazis support persecution of dissent.——President Trump stands for vigorous, open debate.

-Democrats support violent mob rule.——Nazis support violent mob rule.——President Trump stands for the rule of law.

-Democrats support employment quotas, guarantees.——Nazis support employment quotas, guarantees.——President Trump stands for merit-based employment.

-Democrats support redistribution of wealth.——Nazis support redistribution of wealth.——President Trump stands for 'You keep what you earn.'

-Democrats support taking over corporations.——Nazis support taking over corporations.——President Trump stands for protecting property rights.

-Democrats support mandatory profit-sharing.——Nazis support mandatory profit-sharing.——President Trump stands for running your own business.

-Democrats support government pensions for all.——Nazis support government pensions for all.——President Trump stands for self-reliance, 401k.

You were saying?

 

[Into the Night]

you guys have some loyalty issues the Klan just endorsed asg

Nope. The KKK is organized by the Democrat party, and is funded by the Democrat party.

 

[Into the Night]

you are a drug addled moron... https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-democratic-party-didnt-create-klu-klux-klan/

Nope. The KKK is organized by the Democrat party, and is funded by the Democrat party. Polifact is not a valid source.

 

[Into the Night]

You are a goofy righty revisionist. https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...klan-has-never-ever-been-leftist-organization KKK has always been conservative.

Lie. The KKK is not conservative. They are fascists and terrorists.

 

[Into the Night]

Popeye=drunken Klansman.

Insult fallacy. Glad you two aren't in the same bar.

 

[Into the Night]

The person he shot had not touched the shooter,

The person he shot had grabbed him and was assaulting him.

so at best it was mistaken self defense.

No. A clear case of self defense.

The next question is why had the original fight happened.

Irrelevant.

If the shooter had instigated the fight, he has no right to self defense at all.

Yes he does.

There is preliminary evidence that Baca was attacking people before the shooting, so he may be in a lot of trouble here.

Irrelevant. The person shot was pursuing Baca, then assaulted him.

 

[Into the Night]

If you rob a bank, there is a great danger that you will be attacked.

He did not rob a bank.

So in a sense, anyone you shoot while robbing that bank is self defense, but it is not justified.

He did not rob a bank.

Baca shot someone who had not touched him,

They were pursuing him and assaulting him. Yes...they did touch him.

so the best he could do is mistaken self defense (not even self defense).

It is a clear case of self defense.

That might be good enough, but given that he had physically attacked people all day, it might not be good enough.

A lie. People weren't even there all day. He was defending community property from being damaged by a mob.

He could not just run around attacking people, and then saying he feared for his life because he was a terrorist.

Inversion fallacy. The mob was defacing a community statue. The mob was being violent. He was trying to put a stop to it. The mob was attacking, not he.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, that is a sad statement on you.

I really don't blame him. The thug got what he deserved.

I don't like any life being taken, but it a thug is attacking someone, then it is completely legitimate to use lethal force.

 

[Into the Night]

Someone breaks into your house, they would be very reasonable to be in fear of their lives. You may kill them.
So does that mean that anyone who breaks into your house can justifiably kill you?

No house is involved. Strawman fallacy.

Baca is known to have attacked people.

Because he was defending community property from being destroyed by a mob.

If this is another case of him attacking people, then he can both be in fear of his life, and the shooting can be murder.

The mob pursued him. One of them assaulted him. He had every right to shoot the thug.

 

[Into the Night]

For all we know, the man who ran up was going to just try to break up the fight. He was shot before he could do any action.

No. The thug was pursuing Baca. He assaulted Baca. Baca had every right to shoot him.

We do not know who the attacker was in this fight,

The thug attacking Baca.

but we do know that Baca had spent all day attacking people.

Neither the mob nor Baca was there all day.

He would run up, hit someone, and run away.

He was defending community property from being destroyed by a mob.

If this time he got more tangled into the fight, then everyone else was defending themselves.

The mob was committing a crime (defacement of public property). The mob pursued Baca. One of them attacked him. That is not defense.

 

[Into the Night]

Good luck in getting aggravated battery with an illegal weapon dropped down to a misdemeanor. He is looking at a few years in prison. AND THAT IS BEFORE THE SHOOTING!!!

The fact remains he spent all day attacking people. He has been caught for that. He is going to prison.

Arrest is not conviction, dumbass.

 

[Into the Night]

There is one charge of aggravated batter with a deadly weapon, two charges of battery, and one charge of carrying a concealed weapon without a license in the commission of a felony. He is spending years in prison.

And they are continuing to find more videos of him attacking people, so there will be more battery charges. We live in the age of video taking cell phones, and he has peaked people's interest.

The question is how many people is he allowed to attack before they are allowed to defend themselves?

Sorry dude. Nothing that happened on the statue is relevant. The mob that was committing a crime by defacing public property pursued Baca. One of them grabbed him. That is assault. That is not defense. Baca had every right to shoot him.

 

[Into the Night]

The fact he was attacking people all day

No one was there all day.

is irrelevant to the shooting?

Yes. RQAA.

It is very relevant to the question over whether he had attacked someone again.

No. RQAA.

If he attacked someone, he cannot say he feared that the guy might defend himself, so the shooting was justified.

Pursuing someone is not defense.

 

[jacksonsprat22]

Sorry dude. Nothing that happened on the statue is relevant. The mob that was committing a crime by defacing public property pursued Baca. One of them grabbed him. That is assault. That is not defense. Baca had every right to shoot him.

Baca came out to menace the protesters. I know reality is irrelevant to you neo-fascists but Baca did not even have the right to have a concealed weapon.