BattleofHodow
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Trump, or the Trump admin?
Opposing Putin Is Like Pleading For Poison
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Trump, or the Trump admin?
BattleofHodow
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Kind of disproves that Communism, was much more violent.
Russia is no better under Putin, than it was under Gorbachev or Kruschev when it comes to war & murder / mass murder.
Although, Russia in many ways is in worse shape.
For example, 90% of Russians have lower real wages, while 10% have far higher real wages since 1992. (The collapse of Soviets)
Also, modern Russia is being flooded with 10's of millions of immigrants, from places like Uzbekistan, Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, Turkmenistan, etc. etc.
BattleofHodow
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Crimea was stupid on all sides.
First off, it was stupid on Russia's part, because it crippled their economy, over sanctions.
Second off, it was stupid on America's part, because Crimea, is in fact majority Russian today.
I don't know, why Crimea has become a focal point, of stupidity, but it sure has.
I mean, arguably some USA allies, have done far, far, worse.
Take Israel, they've been invading Palestine for the past 72 years.
Where's the sanctions?
Take China, they've put millions of Muslims in camps.
Where's the sanctions?
Crimea annexation was forced on Putin to secure access to Sevastopol,
after Poroshenko (again) threatened its lease
BattleofHodow
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It was not forced, many people would say Ruissia has enough territory.
At the same time, the sanctions slapped on Russia are absurd.
The USA, did far worse in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen & Libya, in recent decades.
It's really truly ridiculous, because of that.
by forced - i mean like a forced Chess move. he had no alternative
BattleofHodow
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It was similar to Nazi Germany annexing the Sudetenland prior to WW2.
The only difference is, in Munich Agreeement the British & French were pro-Hitler's annexation of the Sudetenland.
While, the same doesn't hold true, for Putin's annexing of Crimea, where the West opposed his actions.
Should the US, as a whole, be held responsible for Trump and Congress? I think so. Why shouldn't any other nation, including Mother Russia, be held to the same standard? A nation may not be able to directly stop a whimsy or go outside the law, but they should certainly push for change as Americans did when the Iraq War turned out to be something other than advertised.
LOL. I have no doubt you'll die with Putin's name on your lips and his cum on your breath.
By your logic the US should have invaded Manila to keep Subic Bay. Sorry, but only an asshole leader like Putin does that shit and only the fucking Russians would support him to do so.
BattleofHodow
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Crimea is more, or less indigenous Turko-Tatar land.
Even, though Tatars are Muslim, I much prefer them over Russians, and Ukrainians.
You tell me, why that is?
You tell me why I'd side with Islamic Tatars for Crimean independence.
(Unfortunately, Stalin deported a lot of Tatars out of Crimea, during WW2)
Apparently brought in Russian settlers too.
thanks Hillary! Susan Rice and Obama!
their actions are the proximate cause why Libya is now a terrorist infested failed state
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Libya: Covid-19 and Conflict Collide in Libya, Deepening the Humanitarian Crisis
https://allafrica.com/stories/20200...AYOA_7_2w6dEe5-cO5quW81EfC-9YD35byX5by9XzZu8c
In Benghazi and Tripoli, I saw first-hand how civilians are suffering because of the catastrophic consequences of this conflict," said Mr Maurer.
"Neighbourhoods on the former frontlines in Tripoli are badly scarred and families have little if anything to return to.
People are also at risk of being killed or injured by dangerous unexploded munitions.
At the same time, infrastructure all over the country is falling apart.
People have little electricity, drinking water, sanitation, or medical care in the middle of a growing pandemic."
BattleofHodow
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Libya was a fck up, but not as much of a fck up as Iraq & Afghanistan.
not really. I appreciate the similarity, but the DIFFERENCE is Sevastopol is so strategically important to Russia
it had to have unfettered access.
So when Porosheko threatened not to renew the lease - Putin had no choice but to annex.
Then he built the Kerch Strait Bridge - a marvel of engineering that critics said could never get done
But it's all to get a direct route to Sevastopol,and now of course for commerical ties as well
sure, but dont underestimate it either -it caused great terrorism in the Maghreb, and weapons flow ( Qaddafi caches) all thru the Sahel, and to Syria
I'm sure your fantasies would make for a great comic strip at your next meeting of the Polish Übermensch Supremacist Social Incel Eunuchs.
There won't be a civil war unless it's done on FaceBook or your smartphone.
BattleofHodow
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I'm not so sure, that the early Soviet regime is entirely Russia's fault.
Germany weakened Russia in WW1, and sent Lenin with supplies & funding on a train to Petrograd to start the Bolshevik Revolution.
This was the Helphand, or Gelphand plan by a Jew from Germany.
Lenin, himself was probably not even Russian, he had Jewish, Volga German,Swedish, Kalmyk, Mordovin, and maybe Chuvash ancestry.
Trotsky was full on Jewish.
So, were many backers of the early Bolsheviks, were Jews from Germany, like Jacob Schiff, Otto Kahn, the Warburg's, Yakub Ganetsky - Furstenberg, and Izrael Helphand.
Also, Stalin was not Russian, but rather Georgian & maybe a little Ossetian.
From Cheka to the early NKVD, the ranks of the Soviet Secret Police, were probably more Jewish, than Russian.
ONLY, after Stalin purged Jews from the NKVD, in the mid 1930's, did the NKVD become more Russian, than Jewish.
Putin’s seizure of Crimea appears to have been an improvised gambit, developed under pressure, that was triggered by the fear of losing Russia’s strategically important naval base in Sevastopol.
If Putin’s main concern was Moscow’s hold on Sevastopol, this suggests several important points. First, the disastrous turn in relations between Russia and the West over the past two years might have been avoided had Ukrainian officials, as well as opposition leaders and their Western backers, consistently promised to respect the agreement that extended Russia’s lease on the base until the 2040s. To be sure, this agreement was highly unpopular in Ukraine. But had Ukrainians known that the alternative would be the loss of Crimea and a bloody war in the country’s east, they might have settled for the indignity of hosting a foreign power’s forces.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...sian-president-putin-took-crimea-from-ukraine
more possibilities like "encirclement" but this is the most solid reason
If Putin’s main concern was Moscow’s hold on Sevastopol, this suggests several important points. First, the disastrous turn in relations between Russia and the West over the past two years might have been avoided had Ukrainian officials, as well as opposition leaders and their Western backers, consistently promised to respect the agreement that extended Russia’s lease on the base until the 2040s. To be sure, this agreement was highly unpopular in Ukraine. But had Ukrainians known that the alternative would be the loss of Crimea and a bloody war in the country’s east, they might have settled for the indignity of hosting a foreign power’s forces.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/arti...sian-president-putin-took-crimea-from-ukraine
more possibilities like "encirclement" but this is the most solid reason
BattleofHodow
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I'm going to disagree, strongly.
With such division, and already volatile riots in the streets.
It doesn't take all too much, to really ignite a Civil War.
Look at Bleeding Kansas, a prelude to the American Civil War.
If Trump refused to step down, despite losing.
It could split the military, and states apart, into factions.
Russia & China, could start supplying, arming & funding the different factions, even.
BattleofHodow
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The Sudetenland was rich in minerals, and therefore, also strategic for Hitler.
Russia has so much land, why was Sevastopol so dire?
That's nonsense, full on, nonsense.