The persons Rittenhouse shot were all criminal felons with records...

T. A. Gardner

T. A. Gardner

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Interesting that the three people shot by Rittenhouse, the 17 year-old all had serious criminal records.

Joseph Rosenbaum, the first person Rittenhouse shot was seen by numerous people engaged in arson during the riot in question. Rosenbaum is a convicted sex offender.

Then there's Ian Miles Cheong. He's the guy that attacked Rittenhouse with a skateboard. Cheong has numerous previous convictions for assault, threatening with a dangerous weapon, endangerment, domestic abuse (aka wife beater), etc.

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Thug with a skateboard if you will.

His last was Giage "Lefty" Grosskreutz. Grosskreutz pulled a pistol and pointed it at Rittenhouse who then shot and wounded him. Grosskreutz has a prior felony conviction for a burglary so he was in the commission of a felony merely possessing a firearm.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/20...elons-who-were-shot-while-acting-like-felons/

This isn't a judgement about the validity of Rittenhouse's actions. It is just a note on who the people he shot were (I won't call them victims as two out of three clearly intended by their actions to seriously injure or kill Rittenhouse).
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Interesting that the three people shot by Rittenhouse, the 17 year-old all had serious criminal records.

Joseph Rosenbaum, the first person Rittenhouse shot was seen by numerous people engaged in arson during the riot in question. Rosenbaum is a convicted sex offender.

Then there's Ian Miles Cheong. He's the guy that attacked Rittenhouse with a skateboard. Cheong has numerous previous convictions for assault, threatening with a dangerous weapon, endangerment, domestic abuse (aka wife beater), etc.

Thug with a skateboard if you will.

His last was Giage "Lefty" Grosskreutz. Grosskreutz pulled a pistol and pointed it at Rittenhouse who then shot and wounded him. Grosskreutz has a prior felony conviction for a burglary so he was in the commission of a felony merely possessing a firearm.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/20...elons-who-were-shot-while-acting-like-felons/

This isn't a judgement about the validity of Rittenhouse's actions. It is just a note on who the people he shot were (I won't call them victims as two out of three clearly intended by their actions to seriously injure or kill Rittenhouse).
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The right to self-defense is the most fundamental right I know of.
 
Legion said:
The right to self-defense is the most fundamental right I know of.
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I'm just pointing out that the three rioters he shot were:

A sex offender engaged in acts of arson
A repeat offender with felony convictions for violence
A convicted burglar in possession of an illegal firearm
 
Who cares? Sick bastards trying to excuse or even champion the lowest of low. You all sound no different than the Taliban in these regards.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I'm just pointing out that the three rioters he shot were:

A sex offender engaged in acts of arson
A repeat offender with felony convictions for violence
A convicted burglar in possession of an illegal firearm
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Their past convictions will be inadmissible, I imagine.

The Court (jury or bench) will have to decide if there's enough evidence to convict Rittenhouse based on the evidence that is presented.
 
If a person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm, it is legal to carry any legal firearm openly in Wisconsin.

Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor. Under that statute Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

But John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.

Lake County, Illinois, records suggest that at least one death will be charged as first-degree intentional homicide, which carries a mandatory life sentence. The case could resolve in a lesser charge through plea bargaining. Rittenhouse could face a reckless homicide charge in the second death,

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/
 
Legion said:
Their past convictions will be inadmissible, I imagine.

The Court (jury or bench) will have to decide if there's enough evidence to convict Rittenhouse based on the evidence that is presented.
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No, they'll be central to the case along with their actions during this event. For example, Rosenbaum was recorded on video by several now potential witnesses setting fires to buildings. Arson is a felony. Stopping someone from committing it, even using deadly force is not first degree murder which is the charge on Rittenhouse. Protection of property in such cases is a valid reason for deadly force.

That Cheong attacked Rittenhouse with a skateboard and has a history of violence is germane to this case too. It will be hard to make a case that Rittenhouse didn't have the right to self defense against such an attacker.

Then there's Grosskreutz. He was illegally carrying a concealed pistol and drew it and pointed it at Rittenhouse. That's clearly self defense. I'd be very surprised if Grosskreutz didn't get charged with felonies either by the state or feds. If the feds nail him he's looking at 10 to 20 in prison.

There's a ton of video, and even better these Bozos, particularly Grosskreutz have lots of social media stuff that makes them look like the violent thugs they are. That won't help the prosecution and it will be hard to keep out of evidence since it was them saying that shit on line.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Interesting that the three people shot by Rittenhouse, the 17 year-old all had serious criminal records.

Joseph Rosenbaum, the first person Rittenhouse shot was seen by numerous people engaged in arson during the riot in question. Rosenbaum is a convicted sex offender.

Then there's Ian Miles Cheong. He's the guy that attacked Rittenhouse with a skateboard. Cheong has numerous previous convictions for assault, threatening with a dangerous weapon, endangerment, domestic abuse (aka wife beater), etc.

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Thug with a skateboard if you will.

His last was Giage "Lefty" Grosskreutz. Grosskreutz pulled a pistol and pointed it at Rittenhouse who then shot and wounded him. Grosskreutz has a prior felony conviction for a burglary so he was in the commission of a felony merely possessing a firearm.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/20...elons-who-were-shot-while-acting-like-felons/

This isn't a judgement about the validity of Rittenhouse's actions. It is just a note on who the people he shot were (I won't call them victims as two out of three clearly intended by their actions to seriously injure or kill Rittenhouse).
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Oh my, they don't appear to be nice people.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, they'll be central to the case along with their actions during this event. For example, Rosenbaum was recorded on video by several now potential witnesses setting fires to buildings. Arson is a felony. Stopping someone from committing it, even using deadly force is not first degree murder which is the charge on Rittenhouse. Protection of property in such cases is a valid reason for deadly force.

That Cheong attacked Rittenhouse with a skateboard and has a history of violence is germane to this case too. It will be hard to make a case that Rittenhouse didn't have the right to self defense against such an attacker.

Then there's Grosskreutz. He was illegally carrying a concealed pistol and drew it and pointed it at Rittenhouse. That's clearly self defense. I'd be very surprised if Grosskreutz didn't get charged with felonies either by the state or feds. If the feds nail him he's looking at 10 to 20 in prison.

There's a ton of video, and even better these Bozos, particularly Grosskreutz have lots of social media stuff that makes them look like the violent thugs they are. That won't help the prosecution and it will be hard to keep out of evidence since it was them saying that shit on line.
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The defense may try to get the deceased's and Grosskreutz's criminal records in, but I doubt it will happen. The Kenosha County DA has a history that does not bode well for fairness.

Randall P. Volar was a resident of Kenosha County when he used a website, later confiscated by the FBI, to target and traffic numerous young black women before 2018. In early 2018, he was arrested, charged, and released on bail for the trafficking of these young black girls (as young as 12).

In June 2018, after meeting one of his victims at his house, he allegedly attempted to rape her at which point Chrystul Kizer shot Volar, lit his house on fire, and fled the scene.

Kizer was arrested and charged with Volar’s murder and her bail was set at one million dollars. After nearly two years in jail, Kizer was released on a reduced bail of $400,000 which was raised from various trafficking victims and criminal justice reform organizations from around the country. While it is noted that Kizer’s trial has not publicly presented the details of the strength of the prosecution’s case, several legal groups from around the country sent letters of condemnation to DA Graveley, calling out his unprofessional and unnecessary actions with the Kizer case.

The National Lawyers Guild Chapter at Harvard sent Graveley a blistering rebuke of his handling of the Kizer case.

“Your actions to date in the Chrystul Kizer case stand in grave breach of these professional responsibilities. Chrystul was a 17-year-old girl when she killed the 34-year-old man who had been raping and physically abusing her. She deserves empathy and support for the horrible abuse she suffered at the hands of a grown man, not criminalization. “Sound discretion” and “justice” in this case would clearly look like dropping the charges so she can move on with her life and recovery. You have a duty to improve and seek reform for the prosecutor’s office, not to go to extreme lengths to prosecute cases that do not belong in the courthouse to begin with. Your insistence on prosecuting the case against the plan language meaning of the safe harbor law is bizarre and negligent. It seems to come from a place of racist fear of Chrystul, a young Black woman, and should have no place in the administration of the prosecutorial power.”



https://www.redstate.com/scotthounsell/2020/08/28/kenosha-da-has-history-prosecuting-self-defense-cases/
 
Legion said:
The defense may try to get the deceased's and Grosskreutz's criminal records in, but I doubt it will happen. The Kenosha County DA has a history that does not bode well for fairness.

Randall P. Volar was a resident of Kenosha County when he used a website, later confiscated by the FBI, to target and traffic numerous young black women before 2018. In early 2018, he was arrested, charged, and released on bail for the trafficking of these young black girls (as young as 12).

In June 2018, after meeting one of his victims at his house, he allegedly attempted to rape her at which point Chrystul Kizer shot Volar, lit his house on fire, and fled the scene.

Kizer was arrested and charged with Volar’s murder and her bail was set at one million dollars. After nearly two years in jail, Kizer was released on a reduced bail of $400,000 which was raised from various trafficking victims and criminal justice reform organizations from around the country. While it is noted that Kizer’s trial has not publicly presented the details of the strength of the prosecution’s case, several legal groups from around the country sent letters of condemnation to DA Graveley, calling out his unprofessional and unnecessary actions with the Kizer case.

The National Lawyers Guild Chapter at Harvard sent Graveley a blistering rebuke of his handling of the Kizer case.

“Your actions to date in the Chrystul Kizer case stand in grave breach of these professional responsibilities. Chrystul was a 17-year-old girl when she killed the 34-year-old man who had been raping and physically abusing her. She deserves empathy and support for the horrible abuse she suffered at the hands of a grown man, not criminalization. “Sound discretion” and “justice” in this case would clearly look like dropping the charges so she can move on with her life and recovery. You have a duty to improve and seek reform for the prosecutor’s office, not to go to extreme lengths to prosecute cases that do not belong in the courthouse to begin with. Your insistence on prosecuting the case against the plan language meaning of the safe harbor law is bizarre and negligent. It seems to come from a place of racist fear of Chrystul, a young Black woman, and should have no place in the administration of the prosecutorial power.”

https://www.redstate.com/scotthounsell/2020/08/28/kenosha-da-has-history-prosecuting-self-defense-cases/
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The problem the prosecutor faces here is Rittenhouse has gotten a pile of money and some top shelf lawyers to defend him in what has become a case with national attention. He's way in over his head trying to pursue such a case. Even if somehow he manages a conviction you can bet it will be appealed and that doesn't bode well for him either. It is likely his case will be overturned when it is.

If the feds go after Grosskreutz, and they might, that would complicate things significantly as well. As it is, Grosskreutz is such a tainted and poor witness the prosecutor would be a fool to call him to testify or even have anything he did admitted into evidence. There goes one of the charges right off.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The problem the prosecutor faces here is Rittenhouse has gotten a pile of money and some top shelf lawyers to defend him in what has become a case with national attention. He's way in over his head trying to pursue such a case. Even if somehow he manages a conviction you can bet it will be appealed and that doesn't bode well for him either. It is likely his case will be overturned when it is.

If the feds go after Grosskreutz, and they might, that would complicate things significantly as well. As it is, Grosskreutz is such a tainted and poor witness the prosecutor would be a fool to call him to testify or even have anything he did admitted into evidence. There goes one of the charges right off.
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Let's hope you're right.
 
If this goes the way I hope it does, I am going to be happier than Grind was when Zimmermann was acquitted.
 
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