The persons Rittenhouse shot were all criminal felons with records...

Walt said:
Grosskreutz had a concealed carry permit. In the State of Wisconsin, he had every right to carry his legal gun in a concealed way. He was able to get that concealed carry permit, because he was over age 18, had no felony convictions, and lived in Wisconsin.

Grosskreutz having a permit makes proving a crime virtually impossible.
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Lies. He is a felon. It is not legal for him to carry a gun.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Here's Anthony Huber's record:

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As for Rosenbaum, he's just a total POS. Below is his Arizona Dept. of Corrections disciplinary record while in prison.

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Here's the case that was pending against him at the time he was shot...

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CM000903&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details

https://wcca.wicourts.gov/caseDetail.html?caseNo=2020CM000836&countyNo=30&index=0&mode=details

He was charged with bail jumping, battery, domestic abuse, and disorderly conduct awaiting trial on those charges.
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Have you ever heard of people changing? A friend of my daughter’s was in federal prison for 10 years, he was transferred three times because he was such a disciplinary problem in prison. He got out of prison and went to Cross Point Church, attended their service on a bet. He is now a minister, married and changing his life.

The accounts I have read was he was trying to change his life, now he’s dead.
 
Phantasmal said:
Have you ever heard of people changing? A friend of my daughter’s was in federal prison for 10 years, he was transferred three times because he was such a disciplinary problem in prison. He got out of prison and went to Cross Point Church, attended their service on a bet. He is now a minister, married and changing his life.

The accounts I have read was he was trying to change his life, now he’s dead.
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Cannot change your life much more than that. Just saying.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
What kind of insane strawman argument is that? All I am pointing out is that all three of the people he shot had a history of criminal activity and violence in their past. It doesn't justify anything on its own, but it does argue that they would have been inclined to violence unprovoked and that is largely borne out by the videos available of this incident. If Huber had left Rittenhouse alone and not beat him with his skateboard and tried to take his rifle, he'd be alive right now. If Grosskreutz hadn't gone for his pistol and had backed away from Rittenhouse like he first started to do, he wouldn't have been shot.
Rosenbaum? That major POS, career criminal, serial felon is in a whole 'nother class. He was a violent asswipe committing felonies, and wanted by police. He unilaterally attacked Rittenhouse and was shot for his actions. He deserved what he got and it was clearly self-defense.
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I’ll wait for the trial instead of details according to you.
 
Phantasmal said:
Have you ever heard of people changing? A friend of my daughter’s was in federal prison for 10 years, he was transferred three times because he was such a disciplinary problem in prison. He got out of prison and went to Cross Point Church, attended their service on a bet. He is now a minister, married and changing his life.

The accounts I have read was he was trying to change his life, now he’s dead.
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Awww.... Then what was he doing at a violent riot? Why did he attack Rittenhouse? Basically your claim is belied by actual events. And, no, most convicts don't change their lives or lifestyle. That's why recidivism, particularly for offenders with more than one conviction, is somewhere between 70 and 90%.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
How? He was a convicted felon. That means possession of a firearm was illegal for him. Are you claiming the official records from the state of Wisconsin are in error or a lie? His friend Cheong claimed that stuff, along with saying Grosskreutz wasn't a felon. The state of Wisconsin says otherwise.
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One more time, Grosskreutz has no felony convictions, and had a valid concealed carry permit.

Cheong does not know any of the people involved in this case. He is the editor of an Alt Right "news" source called the Post Millennial which you were indirectly quoting. He is a shadowy figure who may live in Canada, or the Philippines, but definitely not the USA. He is on Rittenhouse's side, but only because he is being paid by furious Alt Right readers.

You appear to be posting a modified version of Huber's records. Even if correct, Huber's records have no bearing on whether Grosskreutz can get a concealed carry permit. Huber is a completely unrelated person to Grosskreutz.

Gardner, your posts are so screwed up, that it is hard to detangle them. I find I am wasting a lot of my time trying to figure out where you have departed from reality.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
What kind of insane strawman argument is that? All I am pointing out is that all three of the people he shot had a history of criminal activity and violence in their past. It doesn't justify anything on its own, but it does argue that they would have been inclined to violence unprovoked and that is largely borne out by the videos available of this incident. If Huber had left Rittenhouse alone and not beat him with his skateboard and tried to take his rifle, he'd be alive right now. If Grosskreutz hadn't gone for his pistol and had backed away from Rittenhouse like he first started to do, he wouldn't have been shot.
Rosenbaum? That major POS, career criminal, serial felon is in a whole 'nother class. He was a violent asswipe committing felonies, and wanted by police. He unilaterally attacked Rittenhouse and was shot for his actions. He deserved what he got and it was clearly self-defense.
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It was a joke at your expense, it didn’t make you laugh?
 
Walt said:
You may not like it, but Grosskreutz had a concealed carry permit. He was able to get that concealed carry permit, because he had absolutely no felony convictions. He had every legal right to carry a concealed weapon.
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You seem to be rather illiterate in Wisconsin law as well as completely sucking the bag at basic comprehension skills...
 
gfm7175 said:
I suggest you read the law a bit closer (and not leave any exceptions out)...
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Rittenhouse was not hunting, and not a member of the National Guard. There are no exceptions covering him.

Meanwhile, Grosskreutz had a concealed carry permit, and a completely legal gun.
 
Sailor said:
You have no idea why he had that gun. That is for a court to decide. Other than that the law you are hanging your hat on is a misdemeanor. Next.
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... and if you read the law closely, Rittenhouse shouldn't even be charged with that...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Awww.... Then what was he doing at a violent riot? Why did he attack Rittenhouse? Basically your claim is belied by actual events. And, no, most convicts don't change their lives or lifestyle. That's why recidivism, particularly for offenders with more than one conviction, is somewhere between 70 and 90%.
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Lol, it is not 70% and 90%. Averages are below 50%

This is why I’ll wait for the trial, you seem to exaggerate a lot of things.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Sorry, my error. That is Huber's record. Trying to do this on the fly with three felon's records is not easy.
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Grosskreutz has no felony convictions, and has a valid concealed carry permit. Huber's record has no bearing on Grosskreutz's right in the state of Wisconsin to carry a concealed handgun.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Interesting that the three people shot by Rittenhouse, the 17 year-old all had serious criminal records.

Joseph Rosenbaum, the first person Rittenhouse shot was seen by numerous people engaged in arson during the riot in question. Rosenbaum is a convicted sex offender.

Then there's Ian Miles Cheong. He's the guy that attacked Rittenhouse with a skateboard. Cheong has numerous previous convictions for assault, threatening with a dangerous weapon, endangerment, domestic abuse (aka wife beater), etc.

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Thug with a skateboard if you will.

His last was Giage "Lefty" Grosskreutz. Grosskreutz pulled a pistol and pointed it at Rittenhouse who then shot and wounded him. Grosskreutz has a prior felony conviction for a burglary so he was in the commission of a felony merely possessing a firearm.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/20...elons-who-were-shot-while-acting-like-felons/

This isn't a judgement about the validity of Rittenhouse's actions. It is just a note on who the people he shot were (I won't call them victims as two out of three clearly intended by their actions to seriously injure or kill Rittenhouse).
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Interesting you justify cold blooded murder. Oh, you're a Trump supporter. Fuck you.
 
Phantasist said:
Well, it seems to T. A. and a few others, little Rittenhouse was hunting for felons and even though he had no prior knowledge of this fact, he was justified in shooting them because they had a record!
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Who said that, imbecile...except you?
 
Phantasmal said:
Lol, it is not 70% and 90%. Averages are below 50%

This is why I’ll wait for the trial, you seem to exaggerate a lot of things.
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https://www.bjs.gov/content/reentry/recidivism.cfm
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17

Not according to the official figures...

According to the National Institute of Justice, almost 44% of criminals released return before the end of their first year out of prison. In 2005, about 68% of 405,000 prisoners that were released were arrested for a new crime within three years, and 77% were arrested within five years.
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(emphasis mine)

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-state
 
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