Biden a Irish Nationalist!?

Walt said:
The question is whether the land is Northern Ireland or Ulster? If it is Ulster, then it would be weird to join it with the Republic of Ireland. If it is Northern Ireland, then Paul McCartney said it best, "give Ireland back to the Irish." There has been generations of warfare between the Protestants and Catholics over that simple question.

It is sort of like asking is it Israel or is it Palestine?
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It he Irish fought back against British settlers.

Like at Portadown Massacre.

Ulster wasn't an Irish plan,it was British one.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portadown_massacre
 
RomanDmowski said:
Ulster appears to be the ethnicity.
Northern Ireland the state.
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Ulster and Northern Ireland are places, and in fact the same place (as they are defined today). It really is like Israel and Palestine. Northern Ireland is full of such issues. Londonderry/Derry is the same place, but different names are used for different groups.
 
Walt said:
Ulster and Northern Ireland are places, and in fact the same place (as they are defined today). It really is like Israel and Palestine. Northern Ireland is full of such issues. Londonderry/Derry is the same place, but different names are used for different groups.
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Ulster Scots / Ulster Irish is an actual ethnicity.

I don't believe Northern Ireland is an ethnicity.

Some in Northern Ireland are Catholic true Irish.

Ulster are the invaders of Ireland.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
You've been watching too much Fox News comedy hour!
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Praising your own ethnicity & belittling other ethnic groups is stereotypical of a Nationalist.

Biden in some ways does present himself that way.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

The issue is Democrats tend to frown upon Nationalism.
 
RomanDmowski said:
Not the point I was making.
The point is that you'd have to read a myriad of languages to be able to truly judge poetry. Even then it's still kind of subjective.

BTW, in my personal opinion Orwell is the best English writer.

Not the opinion of most though.
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Orwell was a great political writer in the English language, to be sure.

One does not need to be able to read a Dante or Goethe to know that Shakespeare was the greatest poet of any language.
 
Winston Smith said:
Orwell was a great political writer in the English language, to be sure.

One does not need to be able to read a Dante or Goethe to know that Shakespeare was the greatest poet of any language.
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Yet, I'd say some Polish writers did about as good as Orwell.
Like
Josef Konrad & his Heart of Darkness about the Belgian Congo
Or Sienkiewicz & Quo Vadis about Romans.

Truth is English tend to see themselves as supreme beings.

Yet,they've stolen a lot of credit & fluffed up their accomplishments.

Not to say that British haven't achieved a remarkable amount.
 
RomanDmowski said:
Yet, I'd say some Polish writers did about as good as Orwell.
Like
Josef Konrad & his Heart of Darkness about the Belgian Congo
Or Sienkiewicz & Quo Vadis about Romans.

Truth is English tend to see themselves as supreme beings.

Yet,they've stolen a lot of credit & fluffed up their accomplishments.

Not to say that British haven't achieved a remarkable amount.
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I think that some cultures will tend to provide certain qualities based upon their experiences. Poland has been ravaged by numerous political systems, and should thus provide a share of great political works. Ireland is noted for producing lots of poets and playwrights due to centuries of colonial oppression. It's no accident that the world's best liquors are distilled in Scotland and Ireland.

Much like the information age in the US, the Elizabethan Age in England placed such a high demand on the arts to produce that it makes a lot of sense that Shakespeare rose to the occasion, along with contemporaries such as Christopher Marlowe.
 
Winston Smith said:
I think that some cultures will tend to provide certain qualities based upon their experiences. Poland has been ravaged by numerous political systems, and should thus provide a share of great political works. Ireland is noted for producing lots of poets and playwrights due to centuries of colonial oppression. It's no accident that the world's best liquors are distilled in Scotland and Ireland.

Much like the information age in the US, the Elizabethan Age in England placed such a high demand on the arts to produce that it makes a lot of sense that Shakespeare rose to the occasion, along with contemporaries such as Christopher Marlowe.
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Shakespeare might have been part Welsh.
If true, then probably Welsh are the best poets.

It's merely easier for politically oppressed groups to write.
Because of a mix of cheaper & easier outlets & perhaps more inspiration.

It's far more difficult for oppressed peoples to go as far in STEM ,because formal education is costly not to mention all the money engineers have to waste to build.
 
RomanDmowski said:
Shakespeare might have been part Welsh.
If true, then probably Welsh are the best poets.

It's merely easier for politically oppressed groups to write.
Because of a mix of cheaper & easier outlets & perhaps more inspiration.

It's far more difficult for oppressed peoples to go as far in STEM ,because formal education is costly not to mention all the money engineers have to waste to build.
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Shakespeare is believed to have been Catholic (Elizabeth's fandom permitted him to get away with other crimes, such as criticizing British policy in his play The Tempest). That's a bigger win for me than ethnicity, as I don't really care about most of my ethnic make-up, aside from a mild curiosity about the Irish. As a product of English culture and philosophy, I do tend to be quite the Anglophile.
 
Winston Smith said:
Shakespeare is believed to have been Catholic (Elizabeth's fandom permitted him to get away with other crimes, such as criticizing British policy in his play The Tempest). That's a bigger win for me than ethnicity, as I don't really care about most of my ethnic make-up, aside from a mild curiosity about the Irish. As a product of English culture and philosophy, I do tend to be quite the Anglophile.
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I think Protestant work ethic isn't really true.

I mean Catholic Irish appear to be superior over Irish protestants.

German Catholics appear to be superior over German Protestants.
 
RomanDmowski said:
I think Protestant work ethic isn't really true.

I mean Catholic Irish appear to be superior over Irish protestants.

German Catholics appear to be superior over German Protestants.
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Well, those are good examples. Obviously, Italian and French Catholics have their bad reputations. England created a fiction that isn't really protestant (Anglicanism is basically a joke with no meaning), so, not sure what to make of that.
 
Winston Smith said:
Well, those are good examples. Obviously, Italian and French Catholics have their bad reputations. England created a fiction that isn't really protestant (Anglicanism is basically a joke with no meaning), so, not sure what to make of that.
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What bad reputation of French!?

They helped USA in 1776, they helped Ireland in 1798 & Poland in 1807.

French also have Descartes, Jean Buridan, Monet, Renoir, Voltaire & Debussy etc.

French are probably the best Western Europeans if you ask me.

As for Italians Northern Italy is richer than England , Southern Italy is poorer than Poland.

Southern Italians aren't the greatest.

But, Northern & Central Italians are among the greatest.

Producing Galileo, Da Vinci, Michangelo, Dante, Enrico Fermi, Volta, Vivaldi, etc.

If anything Anglo - Saxons have a bad reputation.

Between Germany & England 100 s of millions have died maybe way more.
Maybe even 250 million.
 
Winston Smith said:
Well, those are good examples. Obviously, Italian and French Catholics have their bad reputations. England created a fiction that isn't really protestant (Anglicanism is basically a joke with no meaning), so, not sure what to make of that.
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If you're really Irish Catholic much in origins.

You kind of prove my theory that many Irish Catholics pick on their Catholic compatriots like French, Italians & Poles.

That many Irish would rather link themselves with the British or Germans than French, Italians or Poles.

At least in the USA.

Much more real Irish Catholics from Ireland are far more disdainful towards the British.
 
RomanDmowski said:
Praising your own ethnicity & belittling other ethnic groups is stereotypical of a Nationalist.

Biden in some ways does present himself that way.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

The issue is Democrats tend to frown upon Nationalism.
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I really have never seen Biden use a racial tone or praise Irish people or belittle any other race of people.

So, you may have to show us a film clip or something to back up your accusation.

Then we can agree with you!
 
RomanDmowski said:
What bad reputation of French!?

They helped USA in 1776, they helped Ireland in 1798 & Poland in 1807.

French also have Descartes, Jean Buridan, Monet, Renoir, Voltaire & Debussy etc.

French are probably the best Western Europeans if you ask me.

As for Italians Northern Italy is richer than England , Southern Italy is poorer than Poland.

Southern Italians aren't the greatest.

But, Northern & Central Italians are among the greatest.

Producing Galileo, Da Vinci, Michangelo, Dante, Enrico Fermi, Volta, Vivaldi, etc.

If anything Anglo - Saxons have a bad reputation.

Between Germany & England 100 s of millions have died maybe way more.
Maybe even 250 million.
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Decartes is the only one listed that is worthwhile. France was getting bad enough, but, since the establishment of the First Republic, it has only contributed negatively to the world. All of its colonies are either failures (French Guyana is still a territory, unlike the other Guyanas) or were taken over by a different nation (usually Britain).

Italy obviously had a great history, given Rome (753 BC-376 AD) and the Renaissance, but, it hasn't been relevant since Europe entered the early modern period (1450).

Doucheland rightfully has a bad reputation. It has contributed the worst political philosophies to the world.
 
RomanDmowski said:
If you're really Irish Catholic much in origins.

You kind of prove my theory that many Irish Catholics pick on their Catholic compatriots like French, Italians & Poles.

That many Irish would rather link themselves with the British or Germans than French, Italians or Poles.

At least in the USA.

Much more real Irish Catholics from Ireland are far more disdainful towards the British.
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As an American, France, Italy, and Poland have no real relevance to my life. Poland arguably has the most of the three only because of St John Paul II. My culture, language, and political life is entirely influenced by the British. Also, I am part Czech, Slovene, and Kraut, so, I was not exactly raised with a scent of Irish nationalism.
 
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