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It's interesting the different experiences we have based on when and where we were born and who we associate with. I went to a very progressive high school in Oakland and learned about the Tulsa riots then. I have friends that still regularly speak about Black Wall St and the need to recreate it. (Of course all this occurred when the country was largely white and black and we had Jim Crow laws. Today we know Hispanics are the largest minority group with Asians being the fastest growing. Not that you can't still have black communities and black owned businesses in them, but the conditions today aren't the same as 70+ years ago.)
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I had never heard of it until recently (last few years). The word is confusing because there are several days in June that are numbered in the teens. It sounds childish, like the way a small child would get confused about the date of a holiday and make up his/her own word for it.

And that being said, I never heard about the horrible Tulsa massacre in public school history class either. There was plenty about the mistreatment of slaves and then freed blacks in the South post Civil War, and then the (what were current events then) going on in the 60s with the marches and passage of the Civil Rights Act. But not a single word about Tulsa. Did they want us to believe that hatred and racism magically ended after 1900, until the 1960s?
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My wife had never heard of it either. Maybe it is because we are in Oklahoma, but it was taught by our history teacher in high school as well as the one I had at the at the Junior college I attended, both men being staunch conservatives. Appalling part of our state’s history indeed.
 
leaningright said:
My wife had never heard of it either. Maybe it is because we are in Oklahoma, but it was taught by our history teacher in high school as well as the one I had at the at the Junior college I attended, both men being staunch conservatives. Appalling part of our state’s history indeed.
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I wonder why this history was ignored outside of Oklahoma? I also had no idea that Texans (or anyone else) celebrated "Juneteenth" until the last decade or so. Where we live now, the history of residential boarding schools is looked at extremely negatively by the indigenous people. Many of the elders still living went through that horror. But growing up elsewhere, we weren't taught a single word about it.

IMO history -- whether it's our own personal history or that of our city, state, or country -- should be examined and remembered, both the good parts and the not-so-good parts. How else can we learn?
 
cawacko said:
It's interesting the different experiences we have based on when and where we were born and who we associate with. I went to a very progressive high school in Oakland and learned about the Tulsa riots then. I have friends that still regularly speak about Black Wall St and the need to recreate it. (Of course all this occurred when the country was largely white and black and we had Jim Crow laws. Today we know Hispanics are the largest minority group with Asians being the fastest growing. Not that you can't still have black communities and black owned businesses in them, but the conditions today aren't the same as 70+ years ago.)
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Mind if I ask in what decade you were born? 50s here, and our school district would be considered quite liberal now. Yet not a word about Black Wall Street, Japanese-American internment camps, residential board schools where Native children were stripped of their ancestral heritage, language, and culture.
 
leaningright said:
My wife had never heard of it either. Maybe it is because we are in Oklahoma, but it was taught by our history teacher in high school as well as the one I had at the at the Junior college I attended, both men being staunch conservatives. Appalling part of our state’s history indeed.
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Did your wife grow up outside Oklahoma?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I don't recall even hearing about the "Tulsa riots," either.

Personally I think that reparations are stupid this far away from the event. Honor the day as we do with the memory of the Holocaust, so future generations won't let something like that occur again.
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I never heard anything about the 'Tulsa Riots' either. Course, I wasn't around in 1921, but I never heard about it in school. So it was either 'played down' on purpose, or it wasn't considered much of an event outside Oklahoma. (?)

'Reparations' might be a buzz word. Maybe that's the wrong word to use. The people that owned the Land, never were compensated for losing their Land. According to the Documentary I watched, even the Insurance Companies never paid anyone that lost a Home or Business. Many people left town and never returned. Because of Property Taxes, these Owners are known and what happened to the Property is known. So ... think of it as 'Israelis bulldozing Palestinian Homes and Confiscating the Property' if you like.

Everyone seems a little vague on 'who shot first'. A large group of Negroes came to the Courthouse where hundreds of Whites had gathered. Shots rang out.
All that may be secondary to the 'Land Seizure' issue.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Mind if I ask in what decade you were born? 50s here, and our school district would be considered quite liberal now. Yet not a word about Black Wall Street, Japanese-American internment camps, residential board schools where Native children were stripped of their ancestral heritage, language, and culture.
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I was born in ‘72. My high school had a large black population and we had a BSU (black student union.). I actually attended a couple of BSU meetings (just because). So I’m pretty sure I learned about Juneteenth and Black Wall St in class but it’s possible I learned about them in the BSU meetings I sat in on.
 
cawacko said:
I was born in ‘72. My high school had a large black population and we had a BSU (black student union.). I actually attended a couple of BSU meetings (just because). So I’m pretty sure I learned about Juneteenth and Black Wall St in class but it’s possible I learned about them in the BSU meetings I sat in on.
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What were your parents thinking??? :dunno:
 
Jack said:
I think the only place that uses 'Juneteenth' is Texas. So, outside Texas, people wonder 'WTF'. :)

(TOP. Did you know that down here, when people use 'Yankee' in a sentence, they spit after saying the word)



:truestory:
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I'll admit I never heard it before, or remember if I did.

Still bitter after all these years. And we gave you your land back. You want reparations now too? You a new fucking minority or something? The Lonely Old Men's Club?
We got people flying Rebel flags up here, we're cool with it. And you stupid fucks are banning it down there. :thinking:
 
RB 60 said:
I'll admit I never heard it before, or remember if I did.

Still bitter after all these years. And we gave you your land back. You want reparations now too? You a new fucking minority or something? The Lonely Old Men's Club?
We got people flying Rebel flags up here, we're cool with it. And you stupid fucks are banning it down there. :thinking:
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Are you back on your Medications?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
HATES the word Juneteenth.

It sounds Ebonic and awful. I don't understand why our African American citizens don't find it demeaning.
I'm not even one myself, but I find it demeaning.
By all means, celebrate the day if it's m eaningful to you.
Just give it a more dignified name.
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What does Polece sound like?

African American citizens don't find it demeaning.

They don't even think what goes on every wkend in Chicigo demeaning.




They don't think this is demeaning.

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cawacko said:
I was born in ‘72. My high school had a large black population and we had a BSU (black student union.). I actually attended a couple of BSU meetings (just because). So I’m pretty sure I learned about Juneteenth and Black Wall St in class but it’s possible I learned about them in the BSU meetings I sat in on.
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Things were much better by then as far as teaching real history and not the white-washed (pun intended) version we got. I graduated h.s. the year before you were hatched. How did learning about these episodes in American history influence you, or did it? Do you think that current h.s. students should learn the negative with the positives? A lot of RWers call this "revisionist" and are against the teaching of it.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
HATES the word Juneteenth.

It sounds Ebonic and awful. I don't understand why our African American citizens don't find it demeaning.
I'm not even one myself, but I find it demeaning.
By all means, celebrate the day if it's meaningful to you.
Just give it a more dignified name.
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Juicyteenth.
 
Jack said:
I never heard anything about the 'Tulsa Riots' either. Course, I wasn't around in 1921, but I never heard about it in school. So it was either 'played down' on purpose, or it wasn't considered much of an event outside Oklahoma. (?)

'Reparations' might be a buzz word. Maybe that's the wrong word to use. The people that owned the Land, never were compensated for losing their Land. According to the Documentary I watched, even the Insurance Companies never paid anyone that lost a Home or Business. Many people left town and never returned. Because of Property Taxes, these Owners are known and what happened to the Property is known. So ... think of it as 'Israelis bulldozing Palestinian Homes and Confiscating the Property' if you like.

Everyone seems a little vague on 'who shot first'. A large group of Negroes came to the Courthouse where hundreds of Whites had gathered. Shots rang out.
All that may be secondary to the 'Land Seizure' issue.
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Compensation for those who lost their property, if their heirs can be found, might be considered just. But who should pay it? The heirs of those who committed the murders, arson, looting, destruction? That's hardly fair to *them* since they didn't commit this atrocity. Taxpayers, after a vote? What if the vote goes against compensating the victims' heirs?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
HATES the word Juneteenth.

It sounds Ebonic and awful. I don't understand why our African American citizens don't find it demeaning.
I'm not even one myself, but I find it demeaning.
By all means, celebrate the day if it's meaningful to you.
Just give it a more dignified name.
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African American citizens don't find this demeaning.

DMX – “X Is Coming”

“Tryin’ to send the b–ch back to her maker
And if you got a daughter older then 15, I’mma rape her
Take her on the living room floor, right there in front of you
Then ask you seriously, whatchu wanna do?”

Kool G “Hey Mister Mister”

“Now I gotsa to give your mother–kin a– a beatin

I punched her in the ribcage and kicked her in the stomach

Take off all my mother–kin jewelry, b–ch runnin

I stomped her and I kicked her and I punched her in the face

Some people crowded around but nobody got out of place

Don’t want heroics, “Hey buddy” – ayyo money don’t get in this

“Hey miss you alright?” – mother–ker mind your business!

I’m bashin her with the nine, inches away from pullin the trigger”



“Beat that pussy up like Emmett Till.” - Lil Wanye

“My little sister’s birthday, she’ll remember me/For a gift I had 10 of my boys take her virginity.” - Bizarre
 
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