A mortal blow to Young Earth creationism

Dutch Uncle said:
Are you saying they were biblical literalists and also physicists?

How did they explain it?
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Abiogenesis and the theory of evolution are their main beefs. I can understand their sentiment as I was a Creationist myself for many years. It's all about the apparent design. Where did the design come from?
 
Cypress said:
Not exactly sure what the evangelical Christian physicists thought, but their particular brand of Protestantism encourages a literal reading of the bible.

I did run across a couple of geologists who actually gave credence to literall creationism and had serious doubts about evolution.

My theory is that for some reason they are perfectly capable of passing college level tests in physics, chemistry, earth sciences while still holding on to their personal opinion about biblical creation..
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Sure. You and I could pass a test, after study, of Islam without actually believing the religion.

It's odd to go the other way; disregard fact in favor of faith.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Exactly.

We live within a time bubble. Outside, if there is one, there is no time. It's eternal.

We experience time in one direction and moment by moment when all there is and all there ever will be already exists.

Not a physics guy, but I look at reality like a movie reel. It's all there even though we only see it one frame at a time.
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The problem with the concepts of eternal and forever is that it assumes time exists.

Time cannot exist without space. So what is space?
Movement (space) cannot exist without time. So what is time?
 
AProudLefty said:
The problem with the concepts of eternal and forever is that it assumes time exists.

Time cannot exist without space. So what is space?
Movement (space) cannot exist without time. So what is time?
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Eternal is outside time. Forever is infinite time.

Beyond my knowledge past that. I just know that there is a lot more space than most people can comprehend.
 
AProudLefty said:
To add more injury to the mindfuck, are there infinite number of beings?
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Could be but eventually there can only be one.

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Cypress said:
Since travertine is a chemical precipitate, I presume the fractionation of isotopes between solid phase, thermal fluid, and atmosphere ceased when the rock lithified, which was probably shortly (geologically speaking) shortly after the juveniles made the prints. That established the radiometric clock.

The researchers most likely used the same approach as the dating of archaic human footprints in Africa. The Laetoli footprints were made by two Australopithecus hominids walking on fresh wet volcanic ash. Once the ash lithified (which would have been shortly after the footprints were made) the isotope ratios were frozen in place, giving a radiometric date of 3.2 million years for the Laetoli footprints.

I am not interested in investing the time to read the technical paper the handprints researchers published with all the technical specs of the study , but if this is really bothering a bible thumper, I am sure the scientists would email anyone a print of their paper.
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Papers are not a proof. Isotopes continue to change even in solid rock. If they did not change, radiometric dating wouldn't work at all.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
He's correct. Since Space-Time began with the Big Bang, the Cosmos is all there ever was, is or will be.

Was it Flatland that had two-dimensional creatures trying to comprehend a cone that was penetrating their plane? To them it began as a point then a circle that grew larger and large then suddenly disappeared when the cone passed through like the middle one below. They couldn't comprehend the three dimensional object passing through their flat world.

Similarly, we see everything in only three dimensions and can't comprehend fourth or greater ones. The "before" the Big Bang might just be a greater dimension.
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Then the Universe is not universal. It is not the Universe.
 
Cypress said:
I have always thought it remarkable that some people seem to be able to hold mystical unscientific ideas but still be able to perform well in college in scientific disciplines. Believe it or not, I have run across Evangelical christians who are theoretical physicists.
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Science is not incompatible with religion. False dichotomy fallacy.
 
Cypress said:
I think the multiverse hypothesis is gaining steam, and I even read recently that there conceivably might be a way to test it if we ever develop instrumentation sensitive enough to detect miniscule perturbations in the cosmic microwave radiation background - it supposedly would imply other universes interacting with ours.
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Then the Universe isn't universal. It isn't the Universe.
 
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