A mortal blow to Young Earth creationism

I think there are a few paleoanthropologists who try to explain the ancient Paleolithic rock shelters in eastern United States by invoking some crazy migration route from Europe, or something.

I think it is more plausible there are human remains older than the central American and eastern United States Paleolithic sites in western US, but we just haven't found them yet.

I think a few years ago, there was a report of 15,000 year old human remains in Montana, but I do not know if this is confirmed or widely accepted.

Why do you think a migration route from Europe is crazy? Leif Erikson did it and he had to traverse open water, not coastal hop along a glacier.

Agreed the evidence is mounting that humans were here in America long before commonly known.

21,000 years:
The settlement of the Americas is widely accepted to have begun when Paleolithic hunter-gatherers entered North America from the North Asian Mammoth steppe via the Beringia land bridge, which had formed between northeastern Siberia and western Alaska due to the lowering of sea level during the Last Glacial Maximum (26,000 to 19,000 years ago).[1] These populations expanded south of the Laurentide Ice Sheet and spread rapidly throughout both North and South America, by 14,000 years ago.[2][3][4][5] The earliest populations in the Americas, before roughly 10,000 years ago, are known as Paleo-Indians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas
 
Why do you think a migration route from Europe is crazy? Leif Erikson did it and he had to traverse open water, not coastal hop along a glacier.

Agreed the evidence is mounting that humans were here in America long before commonly known.

21,000 years:
The settlement of the Americas is widely accepted to have begun when Paleolithic hunter-gatherers entered North America from the North Asian Mammoth steppe via the Beringia land bridge, which had formed between northeastern Siberia and western Alaska due to the lowering of sea level during the Last Glacial Maximum (26,000 to 19,000 years ago).[1] These populations expanded south of the Laurentide Ice Sheet and spread rapidly throughout both North and South America, by 14,000 years ago.[2][3][4][5] The earliest populations in the Americas, before roughly 10,000 years ago, are known as Paleo-Indians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlement_of_the_Americas

The reason I think it's crazy is that DNA evidence overwhelmingly suggests that indigenous Americans have haplotypes which are consistent with a northeast Asia heritage.

I agree that we have routinely underestimated the marine navigation abilities of ancient people.

Aboriginal people migrated to Australia 60,000 years ago by navigating across 50 miles of open ocean.
 
That's it!

At 12,700 years old, it is still younger than confirmed Paleolithic sites in South America and eastern United States. Assuming isotope dating used is reasonably accurate.

It still bothers me that the oldest evidence for humans is the farthest away from Siberia.

Why is that? Blows the land bridge theory out of the water, so to speak? Land bridge or not, DNA tells the story. Modern and paleo Indians are genetically similar to Eurasians and not to Europeans. Figuring out how they arrived -- and when -- is the mystery part of this story.
 
The reason I think it's crazy is that DNA evidence overwhelmingly suggests that indigenous Americans have haplotypes which are consistent with a northeast Asia heritage.

I agree that we have routinely underestimated the marine navigation abilities of ancient people.

Aboriginal people migrated to Australia 60,000 years ago by navigating across 50 miles of open ocean.

And who settled the Hawaiian islands? Ancient ppl from the S. Pacific region... 2000 miles away.
 
Hello moon,

That's an oxymoron. Here we are, at the perfect distance from our personal universal power station - good for billions of years yet- and we can't utilize it in a beneficial manner ? Any garden plant shows us up as stupid.

I was anti-nuke for a very long time. Especially after Chernobyl and Fukushima.

I recently changed my position after learning the technical aspects of newer technology. Nuclear accidents are very dangerous, it is true. But that is because the way we were building reactors left the chance for a melt down to happen. Still, the lure of all that energy with zero emissions, in the age of the climate crisis, looms large and tempting. So tempting that many people have been working on solving the problem of utilizing nuclear energy in such a way that it is impossible for a melt-down to occur.

The problem with old tech is that it relied on pumped water for cooling. If anything happens to the cooling water coming into the reactor, then it overheats and a melt down occurs. That is a weak point in the design.

New tech nuclear does not rely on pumped water for cooling. There are several ideas, and many have been tested.

One of them places the reactor beneath the cooling water reservoir so it is gravity fed. That's a big improvement, but I still don't like that one because once the reservoir is depleted it still leaves the chance of a lack of cooling water.

Others use micro-reactors that are not large enough to cause a big meltdown. Several units can be placed far enough apart so that if any of them has a problem, it doesn't affect the others. That's better, but I'm still not convinced on that idea.

Traveling Wave technology is the one that convinced me.

First of all, it uses the spent fuel from old tech reactors. Huge plus there. Now we are solving two big problems at the same time. What to do with the spent fuel and how to have safe nukes.

What makes it safe?

It is a completely different design. The fuel is packed differently, spaced out with other materials. There is no way for all the fuel to become involved in a runaway reaction because the distance from one part of it to the rest is too great. It is like a big giant long rod. The reaction is begun at one end and essentially allowed to go into a controlled melt-down. That's what generates the heat. The melt-down is controlled because of the spacing. The reaction uses up what fuel it is allowed to have and gradually moves along the big long rod, using up what fuel it had and consuming new fuel as it gets to it. No cooling is required.

Bingo. Now we have it. That is a safe controlled nuclear reaction.

That is our answer for safe clean abundant energy.
 
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And who settled the Hawaiian islands? Ancient ppl from the S. Pacific region... 2000 miles away.

Tawain to be specific!

My mind was blown recently when I learned that the Malagasy language of Madagascar is not related to African languages - it is an Austronesian language related to the languages of south east Asia. That is strong evidence for long range Ocean migration from SE Asia to Madagascar
 
Why is that? Blows the land bridge theory out of the water, so to speak? Land bridge or not, DNA tells the story. Modern and paleo Indians are genetically similar to Eurasians and not to Europeans. Figuring out how they arrived -- and when -- is the mystery part of this story.

Could not have said it better myself
 
Tawain to be specific!

My mind was blown recently when I learned that the Malagasy language of Madagascar is not related to African languages - it is an Austronesian language related to the languages of south east Asia. That is strong evidence for long range Ocean migration from SE Asia to Madagascar

Isn't that cool? We all grew up with the idea that our ancient ancestors were super primitive and didn't get much done other than hunting, gathering, procreating. I love finding out how wrong those myths really are.

I was just looking at the relationship of Ojibwe to other native languages, and found that it is related to two languages once spoken by other indigenous people -- who lived in northern California!
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,

Why is it, do you think, that the Trumpanzees and other Qpers are so afraid of the future w/o oil and coal?

It is what they have been told by the right wing talk pundits who are loathe to go against big oil and big coal advertising money.
 
The reason I think it's crazy is that DNA evidence overwhelmingly suggests that indigenous Americans have haplotypes which are consistent with a northeast Asia heritage.

I agree that we have routinely underestimated the marine navigation abilities of ancient people.

Aboriginal people migrated to Australia 60,000 years ago by navigating across 50 miles of open ocean.

The Bering Strait landbridge is the most logical access for large groups of people even though the Kon-Tiki proved Polynesians could have crossed the Pacific.

I don't know if any DNA evidence exists of a Euro migration. It's possible such ventures from both directions died out from starvation, disease or other humans.

20,000 years is a long time for things to happen.
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,

And who settled the Hawaiian islands? Ancient ppl from the S. Pacific region... 2000 miles away.

Thor Heyerdhal showed with Kon Tiki that it is most likely people who left South America aboard balsa rafts and rode the currents to the South Pacific Islands.
 
It seems that ancient people travelled the world a lot more than we thought likely or possible. Some Brazilian tribe DNA showed vestiges of Australian DNA. The triibes had stories that they were settled by ancient people who boated over to South America.
 
Hello ThatOwlWoman,



Thor Heyerdhal showed with Kon Tiki that it is most likely people who left South America aboard balsa rafts and rode the currents to the South Pacific Islands.

Those looking for better fishing or even new lands


Caught in a storm or on purpose


We will never know


But DNA sure helps to determine who
 
Scientists do not need your permission to make guesses, aka hypotheses.
That is not a hypothesis. Hypothesis come out of theories. I am not demanding they get permission to make wild guesses.
Making educated guesses is part and parcel of the practice of science.
No, it isn't. Science is a set of falsifiable theories.
Quantum mechanics, black holes, string theory all started out as educated guesses.
Quantum mechanics is not guesses. Black holes are not guesses. String theory is. It is not an educated guess. It is a wild guess.
Gravitons and the string field remain educated guesses to this day.
That they do. They are not science either.
Some paleoanthropologists are making an educated guess at a coastal marine migration into North America, as opposed to the traditional overland route migration hypothesis. They do not require your consent to engage in creative thinking and guesswork.
That they are. It is not science.
 
You're a fucking conspiracy theorist
The Democrat party is a conspiracy.
without fans but a headful of loose screws.
Insult fallacy.
There's a reason why you never post any facts to back up your delusional bullshit such as the WTC Bldg #7 Bush conspiracy claim.
I never saw this claim, but Bush did not blow up WTC7.
or at least I hope you're a conspiracy theorist and not a Chinese cocksucker spreading lies for your commie handlers.
Insult fallacies.
...deleted Holy Random Numbers...
Random numbers are not data.
Define 'plastic pollution'.
 
Hello evince,

Those looking for better fishing or even new lands


Caught in a storm or on purpose


We will never know


But DNA sure helps to determine who

I read up on current perception of the Kon Tiki expedition. Most of science now disagrees with Heyerdahl. DNA shows that the South Pacific was likely settled by people From southeast Asia.

"Heyerdahl's hypothesis of Polynesian origins is overwhelmingly rejected by scientists today. Archaeological, linguistic, cultural, and genetic evidence all support a western origin (from Island Southeast Asia) for Polynesians via the Austronesian expansion.[1][2][3] "

But there is some genetic evidence that indicates an influence of South America:

"Genetic analysis of Polynesians and Native South Americans, published in Nature in July 2020, has revealed that several eastern Polynesian populations have signs of an ancient genetic signature that originated from Native South American people. An initial admixture event between Native South Americans and Polynesians, discovered by statistical analysis, took place around AD 1150–1230.[43][44]"

I guess it doesn't have to be an either/or situation. Evidence now suggests both Southeast Asian and some South American genetics in the South Pacific Islands.
 
Oh the delicious irony of a drunken stoner who can barely form an idea, saying someone else has problems. :laugh: :rofl2: :laugh:

Does your keeper know that you strayed away from KrazyKathysKuckooKlubhouse? Better get back there and post some more psychotalk! :laugh:

Psychoquackery. Insult fallacies. No argument presented. Trolling.
 
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