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MAGA MAN

Let's go Brandon!
My son just bought a Jaguar I-Pace and I drove it last week.

4700# curb weight- that's 600# more than my Porsche Macan.

The entire underside is battery- riveted to the chassis.

250 mile range, less than half of most cars. Takes 12 hours to fully charge using a 240v home charger. Since he lives in Colorado, the winter range is probably going to be less.

Very fast acceleration. Easily hit 0.6g.

Regenerative braking. Very cool. So can drive up a mountain, drive back down and get a large percentage of the energy back.
 
Jim Eagle said:
My son just bought a Jaguar I-Pace and I drove it last week.

4700# curb weight- that's 600# more than my Porsche Macan.

The entire underside is battery- riveted to the chassis.

250 mile range, less than half of most cars. Takes 12 hours to fully charge using a 240v home charger. Since he lives in Colorado, the winter range is probably going to be less.

Very fast acceleration. Easily hit 0.6g.

Regenerative braking. Very cool. So can drive up a mountain, drive back down and get a large percentage of the energy back.
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I wish him luck, Jaguar is near the top for most consumer complaints on the combustion engine cars followed by the Rovers. The English just have trouble building reliable cars
 
Jim Eagle said:
He and I don't have that issue, since we both maintain/ fix our own cars.
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I'm pretty sure that Jaguars reputation was earned in the past. Their EVs may fare better, but I doubt users will have any maintenance ability on them. One question is, how much are replacement batteries?
 
Jim Eagle said:
My son just bought a Jaguar I-Pace and I drove it last week.

4700# curb weight- that's 600# more than my Porsche Macan.

The entire underside is battery- riveted to the chassis.

250 mile range, less than half of most cars. Takes 12 hours to fully charge using a 240v home charger. Since he lives in Colorado, the winter range is probably going to be less.

Very fast acceleration. Easily hit 0.6g.

Regenerative braking. Very cool. So can drive up a mountain, drive back down and get a large percentage of the energy back.
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How's the noise level?
 
Legion said:
I'm pretty sure that Jaguars reputation was earned in the past. Their EVs may fare better, but I doubt users will have any maintenance ability on them. One question is, how much are replacement batteries?
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Maybe the same as replacing a Motor.
 
Jackoff said:
Maybe the same as replacing a Motor.
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So you don't know.

Try this on for size: $40,196

https://www.i-paceforum.com/threads/battery-compartment-repair-cost.6933/#:~:text=One%20can%20get%20a%20complete,per%20Jaguar%20dealer%20part%20sites.

BTW, a properly-maintained ICE rarely needs total replacement.

An EV battery has a finite lifespan. They are warranted for 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/

And if the battery is damaged by the user (changing a tire or in a collision), all bets are off.
 
Legion said:
So you don't know.

Try this on for size: $40,196

https://www.i-paceforum.com/threads/battery-compartment-repair-cost.6933/#:~:text=One%20can%20get%20a%20complete,per%20Jaguar%20dealer%20part%20sites.

BTW, a properly-maintained ICE rarely needs total replacement.

An EV battery has a finite lifespan. They are warranted for 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/

And if the battery is damaged by the user (changing a tire or in a collision), all bets are off.
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Probably time to swap it out.
 
Jim Eagle said:
My son just bought a Jaguar I-Pace and I drove it last week.

4700# curb weight- that's 600# more than my Porsche Macan.

The entire underside is battery- riveted to the chassis.

250 mile range, less than half of most cars. Takes 12 hours to fully charge using a 240v home charger. Since he lives in Colorado, the winter range is probably going to be less.

Very fast acceleration. Easily hit 0.6g.

Regenerative braking. Very cool. So can drive up a mountain, drive back down and get a large percentage of the energy back.
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What's the Zero to 60 time?
 
Jackoff said:
Probably time to swap it out.
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It's not something a shade-tree mechanic can do.

Then there's the fine print:

Some manufacturers only cover the battery if it completely dies and cannot hold a charge, which does not happen often. Brands like BMW, Chevrolet, Tesla, Volkswagen, and Nissan will cover a battery pack if its capacity drops to a certain percentage, usually 60 to 70 percent.

One major point to remember about a car's expected battery is that heat and lithium-ion do not pair well together. Cars that are located in hotter climates will typically experience a faster battery depletion. This is why most electric vehicles are equipped with a liquid-cooled battery pack.

Another thing that can diminish batteries' lifespan is using Level 3 fast-charging stations. These stations can charge the battery up to 80% in 30 minutes, but they can also overheat the battery.

When lithium-ion batteries go from 0 to 100 percent in a charging cycle, they undergo the most intensive use-case possible. According to the founder of Cadex Electronics, Isidor Buchmann, these batteries can only handle this intense charging cycle roughly 500 times before they experience serious depletion.

While 500 charging cycles are great for phone companies like Apple and Samsung who want consumers to purchase a new phone every two years, this is not ideal for cars that are expected to last more than 10 years.


https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/
 
Legion said:
It's not something a shade-tree mechanic can do.

Then there's the fine print:

Some manufacturers only cover the battery if it completely dies and cannot hold a charge, which does not happen often. Brands like BMW, Chevrolet, Tesla, Volkswagen, and Nissan will cover a battery pack if its capacity drops to a certain percentage, usually 60 to 70 percent.

One major point to remember about a car's expected battery is that heat and lithium-ion do not pair well together. Cars that are located in hotter climates will typically experience a faster battery depletion. This is why most electric vehicles are equipped with a liquid-cooled battery pack.

Another thing that can diminish batteries' lifespan is using Level 3 fast-charging stations. These stations can charge the battery up to 80% in 30 minutes, but they can also overheat the battery.

When lithium-ion batteries go from 0 to 100 percent in a charging cycle, they undergo the most intensive use-case possible. According to the founder of Cadex Electronics, Isidor Buchmann, these batteries can only handle this intense charging cycle roughly 500 times before they experience serious depletion.

While 500 charging cycles are great for phone companies like Apple and Samsung who want consumers to purchase a new phone every two years, this is not ideal for cars that are expected to last more than 10 years.


https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/
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I found something for you:




 
Jack said:
How's the noise level?
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They are silent. Your phone will show you all the charging stations as you drive. You can top off the charges while you eat or shop. In my area, we have `180 shown nearby Some have super chargers that will fill your car in minutes.
 
Nordberg said:
They are silent. Your phone will show you all the charging stations as you drive. You can top off the charges while you eat or shop. In my area, we have `180 shown nearby Some have super chargers that will fill your car in minutes.
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:) I always wonder about the 'Charging Stations'. We are so used to the 'Gas Station'. I could see Charging Stations at Malls, Restaurants, Parking Lots, some place that you are going to stay at anyway.
 
I suspect in eight years, when the battery is toast, here will be a network of rebuilders where you drive in and exchange the battery. This has been the case for Prius batteries for several years now. ChrisFix did a video on it and it was a simple process. This will undoubtedly be a lot more complex due to the size of the battery and the fact that it is riveted to the chassis.

The I-Pace main battery is liquid cooled, using standard automotive antifreeze - water mixture. I figured that it would use a dialectic oil like used in transformers.

All wheel drive yet no transmission, transfer case, drive shafts and differentials. Each axle has an electric motor. I have to assume that the half-shafts are each powered by half of each motor, as that would give differential action.
 
I had a Jag for a while. They are beautiful (well were) but as the saying goes dont count on them being reliable or watertight.
 
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