So, You Want $15 An Hour?

Street Glider said:
Sure.

But my investment with Wal-Mart has still been profitable for me.

I have a pretty diversified portfolio, so the fact that one investment might perform better than another doesn't bother me much...
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Here's a little hint, whatever you say; Concart , being the "one-up" liar that he is, will say he has or has done that and more.
 
Street Glider said:
Oh, simple: It's cheap. They'll work for less. Where an American born janitor might want $20 an hour, someone from Somalia may well be willing to do the job for $10 an hour...
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Thank you for answering a simple question with a simple answer.
Now that I think we can both agree that Third World Labor can reduce Labor Costs, is this a good thing for American Labor?
Can American Labor successfully compete with Third World Labor?

Yes. I think we both agree CHEAP LABOR is good for Capitalists and the Shareholding Class.
 
Jack said:
'Capitalists' are the ones demanding a lower Labor Input Cost. Either by Automating or getting Cheap Labor (think outsourcing to Asia) to do the Work.
So, my Question is: How many MORE Third World Labor will be imported this year, next year, and the years after that? Is there ever a cut-off point?
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An artificial problem created by the right-wing who project their abhorrence of "automation" onto the left.
 
Concart said:
You don't know me very well.
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Nor you me.

You would do well to remember that...

I'm retired. I ran more than one business for 45 years. Bottom line, you are what you post here, and your arguments are simplistic and contain absolutely no nuance.
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I suppose I've missed the nuance prose of your posts...

From which I conclude you are all brag and no fact.
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If you think I care about what you "conclude", then you certainly have an over-inflated opinion of yourself...

But I digress. You claimed that Frank has no skin in the game, and that is, of course, objectively false.
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When I said he no skin in the game, I was referring to being someone who is involved in the operations of Wal-Mart. The smart people here knew that, so I won't waste the time nor the bandwidth explaining it to you...

I don't care about the fact that Walmart is automating their checkout lines. It makes good business sense.
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I don't care, either. I was simply relaying an observation, and my thoughts regarding it. Demand too much and you'll be replaced by a machine. I support that 100%...

And Walmart has made strides towards paying better starting wages. And that also makes good business sense, since there is an shortage of lower paid retail workers for obvious reasons.
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Agreed, it does make smart business sense. But that was Wal-Mart's decision. If they feel paying people more is better, that's wonderful. But you have to consider those who are getting paid more, and those who are being replaced by machines. Those new starting wages aren't going to cashier's...

Bottom line, your suggestion that we all don't have skin in the game is false.
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If Wal-Mart goes out of business tomorrow, what impact will it have on you?
 
Jack said:
It's a Question about 'Labor' and 'Automation'. If Automation is the Future ... do we really need a million more Basket Weavers?
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Ask the right-wing. It is an artificial problem they created that only increases the Cost of Government while the right-wing was advocating for Tax Cut economics the whole time.
 
danielpalos said:
An artificial problem created by the right-wing who project their abhorrence "automation" onto the left.
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Dan. You are stuck in a 'Red Team/Blue Team' mentality. You can't even discuss a Policy Issue like immigration with out referring to 'right-wing'.
You've reduced yourself to a Talking Parrot.

Automation is the Future.
 
Street Glider said:
Are you on your period?
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No. Men do not have periods. You didn't realize that?

Heavy flow day?
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See above.

Next time, come at me with a reasonable argument to my points, and we can discuss. Otherwise, go get a diaper change, little boy. You're out of your league here...
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Why would I return fire with a reasonable post...to the kind of shit you are trying to sell?

As for "being out of (my) league" Sonny, I am far from being out of my league.

So go back to what appears to be your mantra, which apparently was borrowed from the American far right assholes, "I've got mine, fuck you."

You people are slugs.
 
Jack said:
Dan. You are stuck in a 'Red Team/Blue Team' mentality. You can't even discuss a Policy Issue like immigration with out referring to 'right-wing'.
You've reduced yourself to a Talking Parrot.

Automation is the Future.
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no it isnt. Life isn't about efficiency.
 
Jack said:
Thank you for answering a simple question with a simple answer.
Now that I think we can both agree that Third World Labor can reduce Labor Costs, is this a good thing for American Labor?
Can American Labor successfully compete with Third World Labor?

Yes. I think we both agree CHEAP LABOR is good for Capitalists and the Shareholding Class.
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Of course it is. But there has to be a balance.

I was riding home from Gainesville the other day, and there was construction going on. There was a guy standing there with one of those signs with "STOP" on one side and "SLOW" on the other. As I rode up and stopped, I lifted my visor and commented "Man, you must get bored out here just flipping that sign around." He responded "Hell, for $28 an hour I can deal with boredom." The guy gets $28 an hour just to flip a sign in a construction zone.

Someone demanding $15 an hour, for a job they know isn't worth $15 an hour, needs to be willing to negotiate and make concessions. Anyone unwilling to do that, and would rather make demands, is someone who should be out of a job...
 
Jack said:
Simple Question. As automation takes more entry level jobs, what do we do with the displaced people?
We are now facing 'displaced people' ... along with Imported Third World Labor that may have NO JOB future.
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Well...for people like the OP...

...the answer is: Fuck 'em. Who cares?
 
Street Glider said:
Of course it is. But there has to be a balance.

I was riding home from Gainesville the other day, and there was construction going on. There was a guy standing there with one of those signs with "STOP" on one side and "SLOW" on the other. As I rode up and stopped, I lifted my visor and commented "Man, you must get bored out here just flipping that sign around." He responded "Hell, for $28 an hour I can deal with boredom." The guy gets $28 an hour just to flip a sign in a construction zone.

Someone demanding $15 an hour, for a job they know isn't worth $15 an hour, needs to be willing to negotiate and make concessions. Anyone unwilling to do that, and would rather make demands, is someone who should be out of a job...
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Which do you prefer: Paying a guy a decent Wage for Working, ... or Paying a guy to sit home and Collect a Check?
 
Street Glider said:
Nor you me.

You would do well to remember that...



I suppose I've missed the nuance prose of your posts...



If you think I care about what you "conclude", then you certainly have an over-inflated opinion of yourself...



When I said he no skin in the game, I was referring to being someone who is involved in the operations of Wal-Mart. The smart people here knew that, so I won't waste the time nor the bandwidth explaining it to you...



I don't care, either. I was simply relaying an observation, and my thoughts regarding it. Demand too much and you'll be replaced by a machine. I support that 100%...



Agreed, it does make smart business sense. But that was Wal-Mart's decision. If they feel paying people more is better, that's wonderful. But you have to consider those who are getting paid more, and those who are being replaced by machines. Those new starting wages aren't going to cashier's...



If Wal-Mart goes out of business tomorrow, what impact will it have on you?
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You're joking, right? 1.6 million unemployed. This is what I mean when I say you are completely incapable of nuance. The fact that you have chosen to focus on the micro elements and ignore the macroeconomic implications demonstrates that you don't understand business. Skin in the game is skin in the game. There are thousands of businesses that do the same, and it impacts every single taxpayer in a big way. You tried to toss an ad hom. You missed the strike zone by fifteen feet.

New starting wages aren't going to cashiers? ROTFLFMAO!!!! Of course they are. You should probably quit when you are only a little behind.
 
Jack said:
Dan. You are stuck in a 'Red Team/Blue Team' mentality. You can't even discuss a Policy Issue like immigration with out referring to 'right-wing'.
You've reduced yourself to a Talking Parrot.

Automation is the Future.
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It is the left who are advocating for better solutions at lower cost. Mass production (for infrastructure) should be a science in modern times. And, nobody takes right-wingers seriously about economics or the law. Right-wingers project their errors and omissions onto others the Best.
 
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