Monad Portal
Was it me?
doubtful.
It's good they havent automated trucks.
who would have saved canada?
You need to think more holisticically, money obsessed automaton.
Your narrow focus has blinded you in other regards.
So, You Want $15 An Hour?
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doubtful.
It's good they havent automated trucks.
who would have saved canada?
You need to think more holisticically, money obsessed automaton.
Your narrow focus has blinded you in other regards.
What a fucking pathetic liar you are:
That whooshing sound was the sound of YOUR credibility sailing out the window, not mine...
You're the one who expects us to take you at your word, but you've given no one any reason to do so.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
nice theatre, two globalists who agree.
What a fuckin' poseur you are.
I knew it from the moment I saw this sock account.
I knew you would never be able to make a coherent argument without making up some BS that only YOU saw with your eyes, and everyone else has to accept that as the truth.
Well fuck you...I'm not accommodating that obvious bad faith.
I think you're mostly upset by two things:
1. I reject every premise of yours
2. You realized that automation was a confession, not a threat.
You're a fucking liar.
A shitty, douchey, sister-fucking, cross-eyed, lying piece of shit.
You came to this thread with an agenda that I have utterly annihilated, so now you're reduced to this bullshit because not only did I reject your argument, but I undermined your credibility as I did it.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
Let's grant for discussions sake that it is cheaper to automate everthing. Should we do it, as a society, without universal basic income of some kind?
Of course not.
But the labor market right now favors workers, not employers.
So if they want to automate, they should go ahead and do that because COVID changed the labor market and at least 50M people quit their jobs and got new ones over the last two years.
Walmart, with its 44% turnover rate, is definitely going to take a look at that labor market and hedge toward kiosks because why would anyone want to work for them in this current job market?
There are more openings than there are applicants...so the labor market changed dramatically during COVID, didn't it?
Monad Portal
Was it me?
I think automation is more of a threat to workers than you're making it out to be.
I think you're running cover for the fascists.
It probably is actually cheaper.
This is a values issue. Long term, you should frame it as that, if you actually care and are on the right side.
I fear you are not.
Monad Portal
Was it me?
take that, spooks.
Why do you think that, and what do you base that judgment on?
How am I doing that? I'm pro-worker here, and I seem to be the only one on this thread who understands that in the current labor market, it's workers who have the leverage, not employers.
We are at least 1 generation away from even a tenth of our workforce being automated...it's just not going to happen so we should stop thinking of it as a threat.
It's not a threat...it's a confession...right now, the labor market favors workers, so when a company decides to "automate", it's confessing that it cannot find enough workers to work for the rate they are offering, and/or in the conditions they are offering.
The labor market made that choice for them...look how hard it is for these garbage franchises to find workers today! They're having to increase their starting wage, they're having to offer better benefits, better managers, better working conditions. Even with all that, they still have staffing holes to fill...so instead of whining about how "no one wants to work", why don't these people just get robots to do the work?
It's only been 22 years we've been hearing about it...
Exactly...and that turd had been trying to frame the shift to kiosks at Walmart as the result of a $15/hr wage when it's really because no one wants to work for shitty old Walmart, so they can't even find enough people to fully staff up.
That turd was like, "they brought in 8 kiosks and kept two cashiers" and doesn't stop to think why didn't they just bring in 10 kiosks and keep no cashiers?
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
No, it's about cutting costs. As an unrelated example, I stopped at the gas station the other day to fill up before heading out to a property I own. I got ice for the cooler. The ice up to then came in 10 or 20 lbs. sacks for $1.99 or $2.99 respectively. I noticed that now the bags were priced the exact same, but they weighed 7 and 16 lbs. respectively. The ice company reduced the size but kept the price the same.
Same thing. Cost cutting.
So, while fast food is begging for workers, they aren't going to raise wages. They will cut portions and replace workers with robots and other automation. So whether the kiosks are because of turnover, a worker shortage, or labor costs, it all amounts to fewer jobs for human beings while the company provides the same product in the same quantity at a reasonable price.
T. A. Gardner
Serial Thread Killer
The kept two cashiers obviously to fulfill the reduced but remaining work the kiosks couldn't do. That is, hand the bag of food to the customer, handle exceptions in order placing, and handle other customer issues.
The same thing goes at Wally World, or anywhere else.
Of course, I've also noticed a marked decline in the quality of such workers at many locations. I went this local fast-food place called Cafe Rio with some of the grandkids. The service was slow and the cashier--actually two girls in their late teens--couldn't even make fucking change! They were amazed that I could tell them exactly which coins to give me when they couldn't figure it out. Are they worth $30 an hour? At least a change making kiosk could have done that job...
No, it's not! It's simply because they can't find workers.
On this very thread, the other turd was talking about how his local Walmart installed 8 kiosks, but for some strange reason, kept 2 cashiers.
So I find that odd, don't you?
Why not just replace ALL the cashiers with kiosks? Why only replace 80%? Simple; Walmart calculates that going fully automated would probably not work out that well. But Walmart ALSO kept those two cashiers because they could. Why only replace 80%? It makes no sense in that context.
The only context it makes sense in is the one where Walmart needs the kiosks because they only HAVE 2 cashiers.
So it's not wages that are putting the pressure on these companies, it's their own shitty management that leads to high turnover and low application rate, which leads to the NEED for automation.
So it's not a threat, it's a confession.
danielpalos
Verified User
Equal protection of our own laws is simple and Congress already has the social power to fix Standards for the Union.
I do not care about personal stories because I know you're not being 100% truthful about it...you should know that by now.
Stop wasting your time.
Are you sure?
Desperate for workers, US restaurants and stores raise pay
https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-business-5eb1432c117e217fea65bfaa138002e9
The thing I hate most about you, TA, isn't your arrogance.
It isn't your bullshit.
It isn't the stupid way you conduct yourself on JPP.
It isn't your fascist tendencies.
It isn't the love you hold for Nazis.
It isn't your inability to read the room.
All of that I can overlook because it's expected of your kind.
The thing I hate most about you, TA, is your fucking abject laziness.
If they didn't do it from 2000-2020, they sure as shit aren't going to do it now.
Currently, there are more job openings than there are job applicants.
At least 50M people changed jobs in the last 2 years.
It's not that there's fewer jobs...it's that there's fewer people willing to work those shitty jobs.
So you think threatening those jobs with automation will force those applicants into accepting shit pay? How has that been working out for companies today?
So the nature of the cashier job has changed, then? So there will always be a need for flesh-and-blood humans.
danielpalos
Verified User
As slow as this pandemic happened, should we criticize the private sector for not already having the equivalent to turn-key operations set up to take advantage of the supply-side shortfalls?