Hey retard, that is how they are made and they open from the inside.
Delusional moron.
The Cold Math of Securing Schools
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Hey retard, that is how they are made and they open from the inside.
Delusional moron.
He could just walk along outside until he sees an empty classroom and come through that window, then walk into a full classroom and shoot the teacher before there's even time to unholster a gun. And, meanwhile, if you've got a bunch of armed teachers, you're creating all sorts of opportunities for accidental shootings: jumpy teachers who hear a beaker fall in the neighboring classroom, think it's a gunman breaking in, and they shoot the first person they see emerge from the room. Or a teacher leaving a gun in her purse when she leaves the room briefly, and a kid grabs it, starts playing with it, and accidentally kills someone, or a kid losing his shit and wrestling a gun away from a teacher and then going on a shooting spree. Etc.
Remember, the average number of school shootings per year is around 36. Most of those occur in ones or twos, not sprees where maybe an armed teacher can cut things short. So, at best, what are you saving? A dozen lives per year? And how many more are you going to be losing if you're flooding the schools with poorly trained armed teachers? It wouldn't take much to be a net loss.
Why would the teachers be poorly trained?
How would the perp get into a locked classroom?
Why are you so adamant that some kids must die, your way or the highway?
Never heard of the "Tripple" Nine Society.
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I quoted 11% of the federal budget. With an FY 2021 budget of $6.822 trillion, 11% would be just over $750 billion. So, if you're going to include arguable parts of the budget to get it up to $1.2 trillion (e.g., veteran's benefits?), that's still just 60% above what I said. By comparison, you said we spend 5 times what I quoted on the military (around $3.75 trillion). So, even using your adjusted figure, I'm much, much closer than you.
Which school was that?
I'm sure some of the people in the town (the more mathematically challenged) thought exactly that. But, for the reasons laid out in the first post in the thread, that is a highly questionable conclusion. They'd probably have saved more children's lives by saving that money and, say, spending the same taxes on improved road maintenance to cut down on traffic accidents.
Understood. But embarrassment is unproductive. The important thing is to learn from your weakness and try harder in the future. The next time you feel tempted to build one of these impotent arguments around claims from your personal life, just take a step back and as yourself "is there a way to support this policy position with reference to hard data that people can verify for themselves?" And if the answer is "no," stop and think about whether maybe there's a reason for that. Good luck!
Geeko Sportivo
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Was it me?
We shold not!
why nut?
They wouldn't necessarily be poorly trained. You could, for instance, set aside a sizable budget for teacher gun training. But then we're back in the cost-per-life-saved dilemma. Like do a really basic $150/year gun safety class. Multiply by 3.5 million school teachers, and it's $525 million in cost per year. Even if you stop all school shootings that was (36 per year, average), that's about $14.6 million per life saved, which suggests you could find ways to save more lives for the same money. And that's for a pretty lame four-hour gun safety course, which isn't exactly what I'd consider "well trained," much less something with any hope of stopping all school shootings every year.
Classrooms aren't generally locked. The shooter would simply walk from the empty classroom to the full one and shoot people.
Kids will die. It's a fact of life. We can cut down on how many of them do so. For example, put more guardrails on windy rural roads, and fewer will die. Boost the budget for plowing and sanding roads in winter, and fewer will die. Distribute free condoms, provide random free health screenings, do more free mobile vaccination clinics, finance more after-school activities to keep kids off the street, hire more social workers to identify kids in at-risk family situations, improve water quality regulations, and so on. There are a million ways to save the lives of children. The question is why we should focus on this particular one, when all the evidence suggests it's a WILDLY inefficient use of money, rather than going with so many others that would save more lives with the same money?
The answer, of course, is this isn't really about saving the lives of kids. It's about trying to derail any gun control momentum, with alternative plans that would help gun manufacturers sell even more guns.
floridafan
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Complicates for how long, 30 sec?
BidenPresident
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Geeko Sportivo
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Look here is the deal. To make schools anything considered "Totally Safe"- we would have to wrap every school with a 12 FOOT WALL OF SOLID STEEL around the perimeter of the school property!
THEN THE HATEFUL GUNTARDS WOULD JUST PICK THE CHILDREN OFF in the crosswalks- Or Bus Stops- or their sporting events- or walking home from school!
WANT-TO-BE Killers are going to kill!
GUNS ARE AN EASY CHOICE FOR WANT-TO-BE KILLERS! TRUST ME! IF potential school mass murderers COULD OBTAIN HAND GRENADES- HAND GRENADES WOULD EASILY BECOME THE WEAPON OF CHOICE- BUT THEY ARE ILLEGAL! Because they are illegal, no one has used them so far!
Our laws make it easy for anyone to obtain a gun if they want one!
THEN THE HATEFUL GUNTARDS WOULD JUST PICK THE CHILDREN OFF in the crosswalks- Or Bus Stops- or their sporting events- or walking home from school!
WANT-TO-BE Killers are going to kill!
GUNS ARE AN EASY CHOICE FOR WANT-TO-BE KILLERS! TRUST ME! IF potential school mass murderers COULD OBTAIN HAND GRENADES- HAND GRENADES WOULD EASILY BECOME THE WEAPON OF CHOICE- BUT THEY ARE ILLEGAL! Because they are illegal, no one has used them so far!
Our laws make it easy for anyone to obtain a gun if they want one!
at least. long enough for defensive response and more significantly, long enough that it impacts the criminal's plan which irritates them and impacts their effectiveness.
floridafan
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We are now learning through an attorney for one of the teachers, that all school doors were properly closed and locked. So your post about entry through locked doors is as fullofshit, as most everything you post.
floridafan
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As I just posted, we now learn through one of the attorneys that he school doors were locked. So much for your total bullshit about defensive responses impacting a criminals plan. Lets face it, all you have is BS to post.
Geeko Sportivo
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Common sense!
And you are nuttier than squirrel shit for not using common sense BTW!
Perhaps you forgot what you said....
"And no you can't break a window and reach in, security doors are made of steel with tiny wire reinforced windows and are keyed from both sides."
Do you need to take the "man, person, woman, camera, tv" test?
Just to satisfy my curiosity, on page 4 of the April 2022 journal of the society, at the bottom of the page, there is a three-word Latin phrase. What is it? If you're a member, presumably you can find that out in just a couple seconds.
He, like all welfare collecting democrats, are realizing that could cut into their welfare checks. All of the sudden progressives do not give a fuck about life....