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The hypocrisy of Christian 'religious freedom' rhetoric post-Roe
Why is right-wing Christianity the only religion afforded legal and political accommodation in America?

"One thing I always knew growing up in my Jewish family was that my grandmother fought to codify Roe v. Wade in Connecticut. It was one of those facts that functions as family lore; a story that felt central to who we were as a family unit. We were Americans. We were Jews. And we were people who cared about justice of all varieties — especially reproductive justice."

When most Americans think about religion and abortion, they probably think about the vocal Christian right: Protesters outside abortion clinics with crosses, anti-abortion signs with slogans like “We Are Praying for the End of Abortion,” young white women in Uggs marching with their Bible study groups, evangelical preachers delivering the closing prayers at the March for Life, whose president, not incidentally, used to work for the Catholic Church.

This public connection is no accident. Nationalist, conservative Christians have used abortion as a political rallying cry for years. And although clergy members have always been involved politically, and on all parts of the political spectrum, in the United States, reactionary Christian theology is currently shaping collective American society most profoundly.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc...-banned-christian-freedom-what-about-n1296568
 
Shoresy said:
No i didn't lie about the European laws, your own source corroborated that IE heartbeat laws are far more in line with first trimester abortions than were point of birth abortions that we had prior to the overturning of Roe, thanks for corroborating my claim. Oh your sourcs also points out that many European countries have waiting times between the abortion request and the abortion itself to give the woman a chance to think about what she's about to do, that doesn't sound like abortion on demand to me dipshit.
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It doesn't sound like it to you? I guess that's because you are a knuckledragging moron, who apparently wants to double down on their stupidity. There are NO Federal protections for abortion in this country. None. So of course your claim is completely, utterly, false.

Tell me again about the Constitution and life. Guess not, huh?
 
Hello evince,

evince said:
Not any more
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I hope women, and men who care about women, who have previously been less motivated to vote, maybe thinking 'they are all the same' will now find a moving reason to vote for freedom of choice.

Freedom = voting = choice.
 
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guno said:
Sorry goyim

Jewish law does not share the belief common among abortion opponents that life begins at conception, nor does it legally consider the fetus to be a full person deserving of protections equal those accorded to human beings. In Jewish law, a fetus attains the status of a full person only at birth. Sources in the Talmud indicate that prior to 40 days of gestation, the fetus has an even more limited legal status, with one Talmudic authority (Yevamot 69b) asserting that prior to 40 days the fetus is “mere water.” Elsewhere, the Talmud indicates that the ancient rabbis regarded a fetus as part of its mother throughout the pregnancy, dependent fully on her for its life — a view that echoes the position that women should be free to make decisions concerning their own bodies.
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A) we don't live under Jewish law.

B) I'm pretty sure the ten commandments are Jewish law and number one with a bullet is though shalt not murder.

C) Jewish law only supports abortion in the case where the mothers life is threatened which is still am exception allowed for in all the states allowing for heartbeat restrictions.
 
Shoresy said:
A) we don't live under Jewish law.

B) I'm pretty sure the ten commandments are Jewish law and number one with a bullet is though shalt not murder.

C) Jewish law only supports abortion in the case where the mothers life is threatened which is still am exception allowed for in all the states allowing for heartbeat restrictions.
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Nor do we live by christer law


abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health
of the pregnant individual. Furthermore, “health” is commonly interpreted to encompass
psychological health as well as physical health.


What does Jewish law say about the rights of the person who is pregnant and the
rights of the fetus?

Judaism values life and affirms that protecting existing life is paramount
at all stages of pregnancy. A fetus is not considered a person under Jewish law and therefore
does not have the same rights as one who is already alive. As such, the interests of the
pregnant individual always come before that of the fetus.
 
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Concart said:
It doesn't sound like it to you? I guess that's because you are a knuckledragging moron, who apparently wants to double down on their stupidity. There are NO Federal protections for abortion in this country. None. So of course your claim is completely, utterly, false.

Tell me again about the Constitution and life. Guess not, huh?
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That's because we live in a federalist system where we have these things called state governments and the heartbeat laws being implemented by some of these state governments are far more in line with Europe than the up to birth abortions we previously had you retarded fuck.

The Constitution enshrined life as an inalienable right.
 
Mitch McConnell has ruined the very basics of our politics. He hijacked the Supreme Court and has now ensures that the court is a political are of a party that clearly represents the minority of voters.

By stealing, not advise and consent as he role allows, 2 positions on the court he has made it political not the non political branch it was meant to be.

Look at the rulings on gerrymandering, guns, and now abortion. Thomas named his next targets, contraception and same sex marriage.

The era of big intrusive government has begun. It is now in our bedrooms and stands between Dr's and patients.

Congrats GOP. You have divided this country. "Your lust for power has done that."
 
Shoresy said:
That's because we live in a federalist system where we have these things called state governments and the heartbeat laws being implemented by some of these state governments are far more in line with Europe than the up to birth abortions we previously had you retarded fuck.

The Constitution enshrined life as an inalienable right.
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No it did not. Please quote the relevant section. I'll wait.
 
guno said:
Nor do we live by christer law
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Nope and this is not a religious issue it is an issue of science we now know that after conception a unique individual with unique DNA is formed and all the genetic building blocks that will ever make up that person for the rest of their lives is already contained within at the moment of conception, that's science deal with it.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello evince,



I hope women, and men who care about women, who have previously been less motivated to vote, maybe thinking 'they are all the same' will now take find a moving reason to vote for freedom of choice.

Freedom = voting = choice.
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If we make it impossible for republicans to cheat in elections


Lots of people will vote who the republicans prevent from voting
 
Shoresy said:
Nope and this is not a religious issue it is an issue of science we now know that after conception a unique individual with unique DNA is formed and all the genetic building blocks that will ever make up that person for the rest of their lives is already contained within at the moment of conception, that's science deal with it.
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And that it is a cluster of cells that needs a womb to develop in


Someone owns that womb


It’s their choice to decide what happens inside that womb
 
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