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[QP!]

So you define away the violence of a group so that you do not have to admit a problem? This way you can pretend that though more people die from one type of violence, you can instead blame whites for all of it?

Interesting form of racism there.

that is not what he did.

When you conflate all areas of violence you define away any serious intent to address the issues.

You do not conflate deaths in civil wars, with deaths via gang violence, with deaths via domestic violence, with deaths in community violence when you want to address the impact and how to deal with any of those areas individually.

The reason Storm Front type people want to conflate in mob and gang type violence, for example to school shooting type violence as they see overwhelming the latter is done by white males and they do not want that highlighted. So their immediate response is to yell 'WHAT ABOUT GANG VIOLENCE', and if the goal is to examine and address 'school shooting violence' then engaging 'gang violence' will do little to nothing.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Off hand I don't recall a black school shooter. The great majority if not all of the dozens of them seem to have been white, but a handful of black teens going wild without killing anyone brings on the predictable this.

Yet th e OP gets resentment when correctly labeled a racist. *eyeroll*

 

[Damocles]

that is not what he did.

When you conflate all areas of violence you define away any serious intent to address the issues.

You do not conflate deaths in civil wars, with deaths via gang violence, with deaths via domestic violence, with deaths in community violence when you want to address the impact and how to deal with any of those areas individually.

The reason Storm Front type people want to conflate in mob and gang type violence, for example to school shooting type violence as they see overwhelming the latter is done by white males and they do not want that highlighted. So their immediate response is to yell 'WHAT ABOUT GANG VIOLENCE', and if the goal is to examine and address 'school shooting violence' then engaging 'gang violence' will do little to nothing.

Yet it is what you have done. Ignoring one type of school shooting because it reflects poorly on a race you do not want to highlight is exactly the same as highlighting this violence to blame one "race" and ignoring the same from whites when the only difference is the motivation.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Definitions always matter. "School shootings" have an understood meaning that is lost if lumped together with, for example, "gang-related, accidental discharges," etc. So, yeah, it is because gang violence is outside the commonly accepted meaning of the term, "school shooting".

I fail to see how one can equate drive-bys (the common gang-related shootings) with an intruder deliberately entering a (often locked) school building and massacring kids and teachers. You might as well be comparing Edsels to aircraft carriers.

Some people like to argue just to be arguing.


Some

 

[martin]

So you define away the violence of a group so that you do not have to admit a problem? This way you can pretend that though more people die from one type of violence, you can instead blame whites for all of it?

Interesting form of racism there.

Nonsense. "Define away" is a meaningless term. All definitions "define away" whatever is outside of themselves. Go ahead and add "gang violence", for example, to the point about "school shootings", and let it go at that.

 

[Lionfish]

When the white sheets fit...

There was a democrat under them.

 

[QP!]

Yet it is what you have done. Ignoring one type of school shooting because it reflects poorly on a race you do not want to highlight is exactly the same as highlighting this violence to blame one "race" and ignoring the same from whites when the only difference is the motivation.

No. AGAIN.

If we are discussing the almost exclusively based US relatively recent of school shootings, in an attempt to understand and address them so they can be addressed, we are talking about 'white males, who tend to be teenagers and troubled who are seeking attention and infamy'.

And no matter how much that hurts your racist feelings conflating in 'gang shootings' even in schools is a SEPERATE and DISTINCT issue with ENTIRELY SEPERATE remedies and ways to address it.

If you conflate them together you will address neither. As the cause of gang shootings has nothing, NOTHING, to do with 'teenagers seeking attention and infamy' and you will entirely miss the point of trying to address both in the same way.

The big question is WHY DO YOU SO BADLY want the existence of 'mostly white shooters buried in a larger group' in a way that harms analysis and ways to address that specific problem? That answer is racism shame.

white male school shooters is an issue that can actually be addressed and mostly solved (as other countries show) whereas gang violence, is a much tougher problem. NOt unsolvable but way more challenging, imo. Does not mean society should not try but conflating the two would mean getting nothing done on either.

 

[Lionfish]

I fail to see how one can equate drive-bys (the common gang-related shootings) with an intruder deliberately entering a (often locked) school building and massacring kids and teachers. You might as well be comparing Edsels to aircraft carriers.

Some people like to argue just to be arguing.


Some

Correct. In recent times, it is more likely that we equate school shootings with transgender individuals.

 

[Teflon Don]

Why not just put on a dunce cap and say the n-word in its entirety? We all know that's a bush you've been beating around.

So you think this behavior is “normal”? If you have corresponding videos of other races doing this please share.

But don’t be lazy and hide behind the racism charge. It is intellectually lazy and you believe it shields you from an honest discussion about the declining culture and morals in the black community.

 

[Teflon Don]

that is not what he did.

When you conflate all areas of violence you define away any serious intent to address the issues.

You do not conflate deaths in civil wars, with deaths via gang violence, with deaths via domestic violence, with deaths in community violence when you want to address the impact and how to deal with any of those areas individually.

The reason Storm Front type people want to conflate in mob and gang type violence, for example to school shooting type violence as they see overwhelming the latter is done by white males and they do not want that highlighted. So their immediate response is to yell 'WHAT ABOUT GANG VIOLENCE', and if the goal is to examine and address 'school shooting violence' then engaging 'gang violence' will do little to nothing.

It would seem that you don’t want to include gang shooting because they would outnumber the shootings you have so carefully defined to suit your political narrative and you can’t have that messed with can you? It is so rare that I see you board marxists be so blatant in your racism.

 

[QP!]

I fail to see how one can equate drive-bys (the common gang-related shootings) with an intruder deliberately entering a (often locked) school building and massacring kids and teachers. You might as well be comparing Edsels to aircraft carriers.

Some people like to argue just to be arguing.


Some

You are absolutely correct.

All crime is hard to address but the KEY to doing so is not conflating different causal factors.

You will not properly address domestic violence if you conflate it with gang violence. And you generally will not see that done.

The reason @Damocles and others want to conflate 'gang violence' is clear as they ONLY DO IT, in areas where otherwise white people would be highlighted as the most common offender (Ie. school shootings) in a group and they do not want that and if that means conflating it with gang violence and making it impossible to address the issue of school shooting properly, they are fine with that.

 

[QP!]

Yet it is what you have done. Ignoring one type of school shooting because it reflects poorly on a race you do not want to highlight is exactly the same as highlighting this violence to blame one "race" and ignoring the same from whites when the only difference is the motivation.

So you actually believe that the phenomena we see in US schools (mainly) identified as 'school mass shootings' is best examined and addressed as an issue of 'gang violence'?

Is that how you think law enforcement and psychologists should examine it in an attempt to address it and reduce it back to what is more common in EVERY OTHER first world country?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Um... those were inside schools there, Ross. Excusing some gunfire in schools because you want whites to be "worse" is simple racism.

I do not want whites to be better...I want humanity to be better.

I did some careful vetting of my wording, Damo. Don't suppose everything I said should be evaluated in relationship to what you wrote...although a lot of it was.

Volsrock WAS making a racist point...and Martin was commenting on the thrust of the point.

You are certainly entitled to react as you choose, but so am I.

 

[QP!]

Nonsense. "Define away" is a meaningless term. All definitions "define away" whatever is outside of themselves. Go ahead and add "gang violence", for example, to the point about "school shootings", and let it go at that.

Yup.

If you want to 'address all violence' that happens in society and in schools then absolutely, gang violence is relevant.

If you are talking about what is almost exclusively a US issue of school shootings by students knowing that it SHOULD BE an addressable issue due to them not happening in other first countries (so key factors should be identifiable and addressable) then conflating the typically poor inner city gang banger with the urban or suburban middle class, more classic family while male DOES NOTHING to address either issue at the core of what motivates them.

@Damocles rages about them being addressed separately, when this is done across ALL FORMS of crime (mob murder, different than domestic violence murder, etc) ONLY BECAUSE this one highlights white males.

It is as simple as that. You will not see Damocles arguing that other aspects of crime should not be separated out to properly identify and address them.

 

[AMERICA FIRST]

Off hand I don't recall a black school shooter. The great majority if not all of the dozens of them seem to have been white, but a handful of black teens going wild without killing anyone brings on the predictable this.

You are a fucking idiot with your virtue signaling. You know damned well young black men, not all but enough to be an accurate stereotype are violent and out of control. It isn't being racist to acknowledge this.

 

[QP!]

It would seem that you don’t want to include gang shooting because they would outnumber the shootings you have so carefully defined to suit your political narrative and you can’t have that messed with can you? It is so rare that I see you board marxists be so blatant in your racism.

False.

I do not want gang shooting of wives/mothers, husbands/sons conflated with domestic violence shootings of same as it makes any reasoned analysis of causal factors and how to address the issues meaningless.

It is simply stupid to do.

Treat them separately. Say 'gang shootings are worse', ...i do not care. But if every time society wants to try and address domestic violence, people like you DEMAND we lump in gang shootings BECAUSE those also kill husbands/sons, wives/mothers/daughters, etc, then you, as a stupid person, need to be ignored in the discussion and analysis.

 

[Nomad]

To all the JPP liberals - I understand that you want to discourage race baiting and the intentional stoking of divisiveness, but the OP shows real behavior that is actually occurring and should not be ignored or defended.

For you guys to just downplay it and brush it off as "...a handful of black teens going wild without killing anyone..." is as dishonest as the notion that all blacks are criminals or on welfare.

The left's unwillingness to even talk about it aside from downplaying and excuse making, just shows that you know you cannot legitimately defend it.

Young black "teens" are becoming known for this kind of behavior and to claim it's NBD because they "didn't kill anyone" ignores the FACT that they ARE killing each other.

CONSTANTLY.

I watch the news 5x per day. Local news 4x and national news 1x.

On our local news, rarely does a week pass without reports of dead bodies of young black men being found in parking lots or street corners in black neighborhoods, or of black teens getting into shootouts with each other or God only knows what else.

Ignoring this situation under the guise of being "anti-racist" is just dishonest.

Blacks are the only group who engage in this type of behavior.

As long as the left refuses to acknowledge that blacks have a serious problem within their culture that has not been and is not being addressed, things will never improve.

Not for them or everyone else.

BTW, I am prepared to be called racist for posting this.

 

[martin]

Yup.

If you want to 'address all violence' that happens in society and in schools then absolutely, gang violence is relevant.

It is like saying "The First World War" is a misleading term because it fails to include The Second World War.

 

[Ross Dolan]

To all the JPP liberals - I understand that you want to discourage race baiting and the intentional stoking of divisiveness, but the OP shows real behavior that is actually occurring and should not be ignored or defended.

For you guys to just downplay it and brush it off as "...a handful of black teens going wild without killing anyone..." is as dishonest as the notion that all blacks are criminals or on welfare.

The left's unwillingness to even talk about it aside from downplaying and excuse making, just shows that you know you cannot legitimately defend it.

Young black "teens" are becoming known for this kind of behavior and to claim it's NBD because they "didn't kill anyone" ignores the FACT that they ARE killing each other.

CONSTANTLY.

I watch the news 5x per day. Local news 4x and national news 1x.

On our local news, rarely does a week pass without reports of dead bodies of young black men being found in parking lots or street corners in black neighborhoods, or of black teens getting into shootouts with each other or God only knows what else.

Ignoring this situation under the guise of being "anti-racist" is just dishonest.

Blacks are the only group who engage in this type of behavior.

As long as the left refuses to acknowledge that blacks have a serious problem within their culture that has not been and is not being addressed, things will never improve.

Not for them or everyone else.

BTW, I am prepared to be called racist for posting this.

Just a comment on this, Nomad...something that should be considered.

Not too many decades back, it was, "The Irish are the only group who do that." And then it was, "The Italians are the only group who do that." Out west it was, "The Chinese are the only group who do that."

The commonality is a bit elusive.

 

[Teflon Don]

False.

I do not want gang shooting of wives/mothers, husbands/sons conflated with domestic violence shootings of same as it makes any reasoned analysis of causal factors and how to address the issues meaningless.

It is simply stupid to do.

Treat them separately. Say 'gang shootings are worse', ...i do not care. But if every time society wants to try and address domestic violence, people like you DEMAND we lump in gang shootings BECAUSE those also kill husbands/sons, wives/mothers/daughters, etc, then you, as a stupid person, need to be ignored in the discussion and analysis.

It is a very convenient excuse but does nothing to address the declining culture in the black community. Screaming racism means you never have to address the issue this

To all the JPP liberals - I understand that you want to discourage race baiting and the intentional stoking of divisiveness, but the OP shows real behavior that is actually occurring and should not be ignored or defended.

For you guys to just downplay it and brush it off as "...a handful of black teens going wild without killing anyone..." is as dishonest as the notion that all blacks are criminals or on welfare.

The left's unwillingness to even talk about it aside from downplaying and excuse making, just shows that you know you cannot legitimately defend it.

Young black "teens" are becoming known for this kind of behavior and to claim it's NBD because they "didn't kill anyone" ignores the FACT that they ARE killing each other.

CONSTANTLY.

I watch the news 5x per day. Local news 4x and national news 1x.

On our local news, rarely does a week pass without reports of dead bodies of young black men being found in parking lots or street corners in black neighborhoods, or of black teens getting into shootouts with each other or God only knows what else.

Ignoring this situation under the guise of being "anti-racist" is just dishonest.

Blacks are the only group who engage in this type of behavior.

As long as the left refuses to acknowledge that blacks have a serious problem within their culture that has not been and is not being addressed, things will never improve.

Not for them or everyone else.

BTW, I am prepared to be called racist for posting this.

probably won’t score you points with your fellow leftists but I applaud you for your well thought out post. There is a real problem culturally and calling others racist for pointing it out or blaming slavery does nothing to correct the problem.

I think what we are seeing is the result of generations of fatherless homes. It is a problem across all ethnicities but it is especially problematic in the black community. I don’t know how you fix that. We literally have a lost generation that for a variety of reasons think the world is hopeless. That is heartbreaking.