Archaeology of the New Testament

[Into the Night]

you are a shill for big pharma.

you're a corporate cocksucking genocidal fascist neocon traitror to Americans and humanity.

a real trash-faced garbage pail kid.

Buzzword fallacies (shill, big pharma, neocon, traitor, humanity, corporation, genocide, fascism).
Cliche fallacies.

Try English. It works better.

 

[Into the Night]

your transparent agenda to prove Christianity with archaelogy only proves your stupidity.

He's not trying to prove anything, NoName.

Buzzword fallacies (agenda, proof, archaelogy).
Mantra 1a. Lame.

Try English. It works better.

 

[Into the Night]

Archaeology can be used to test truth claims.

Cutting and pasting is not archeaology.
Archaeology is not a proof.

I don't believe in taking things on blind faith like you do.

Yes you do. You take cut and paste articles and archaeology itself on blind faith. You assume that the opinion of someone that dug something up to be absolute gospel.

There are plenty of events in the Bible that can also be disconfirmed by archeology.

Archaeology is not a proof nor a falsification.

There is no archeological evidence that the Israelites conquered the Cannanite civilizations by means of massive violence and destruction. The data suggest that Israelite immigration into the Cannanite lands was not particularly violent, but probably involved small skirmishes and assimilation over a long period of time.

What 'data'?

 

[Into the Night]

Let's try this another way and give you the opportunity to prove me wrong...

Based on what is "biochemistry", which you called a buzz word, not a "word"?

'Biochemistry' is not a word. There is no why. It is simply not a word.

 

[ZenMode]

'Biochemistry' is not a word. There is no why. It is simply not a word.

Based on what criteria? Based on what definition of "word"? Again, you called it a buzzWORD, right?

Surely you don't believe that you are the authority on what is/isn't a word.

 

[Cypress]

Only dumb because it's not YOUR religion saying it. In your religious world, waving your hand over some crackers, and saying a few latin words, turns the crackers into the body of Jesus.

No archeologist ever said that because Greece exists then Achilles and Odysseus must have existed. That's retarded.

Mystical crackers are not a requirement of Christianity. I thought you claimed to have spent a decade as a Christian? All the Protestant churches to my knowledge consider the communion to be strictly symbolic. You're not going to be able to throw your cracker complaints in the face of a Methodist or Episcopalian.

Now, if you're going to read the Bible, you have to read it responsibly.

That means respecting literary style.

The creation story in Genesis is Hebrew poetry based on the parallelism of the literary structure. Do you read poetry the same way you read a science report or a historical biography? No, not if you paid attention to your high school English teacher.

On the other hand, the arrest, trial and execution of Jesus reads like historical narrative because there is corroborating archaeology and manuscript evidence.

 

[ZenMode]

No archeologist ever said that because Greece exists then Achilles and Odysseus must have existed. That's retarded.

Agree, yet here you are claiming all kinds of supernatural, magical things because Jesus was an actual man on Earth.

Mystical crackers are not a requirement of Christianity. I thought you claimed to have spent a decade as a Christian? All the Protestant churches to my knowledge consider the communion to be strictly symbolic. You're not going to be able to throw your cracker complaints in the face of a Methodist or Episcopalian.

Which is why I said "religious world". Catholicism is much closer to Methodist, Lutheran, etc than any other religion. No, Methodists don't pretend to be able to magically turn crackers into flesh. They just tell you it's flesh.

Now, if you're going to read the Bible, you have to read it responsibly.

That means respecting literary style.

The creation story in Genesis is Hebrew poetry based on the parallelism of the literary structure. Do you read poetry the same way you read a science report or a historical biography? No, not if you paid attention to your high school English teacher.

On the other hand, the arrest, trial and execution of Jesus reads like historical narrative because there is corroborating archaeology and manuscript evidence.

Yah, yah, yah... Plenty of Christians believe everything in the Bible is literal. The word of God. So the fact that you've apparently rationalized away some nonsensical stories, presumably to maintain your faith, doesn't change anything.

 

[Cypress]

'Biochemistry' is not a word!!!

Cambridge Dictionary​

biochemistry
noun
'the scientific study of the chemistry of living things.'

 

[Ichabod Stain]

He's not trying to prove anything, NoName.

Buzzword fallacies (agenda, proof, archaelogy).
Mantra 1a. Lame.

Try English. It works better.

he's trying to prove evango-ziotardism with archaeology.

 

[Into the Night]

Based on what criteria? Based on what definition of "word"? Again, you called it a buzzWORD, right?

Surely you don't believe that you are the authority on what is/isn't a word.

Attempted negative proof fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

No archeologist ever said that because Greece exists then Achilles and Odysseus must have existed. That's retarded.

Mystical crackers are not a requirement of Christianity. I thought you claimed to have spent a decade as a Christian? All the Protestant churches to my knowledge consider the communion to be strictly symbolic. You're not going to be able to throw your cracker complaints in the face of a Methodist or Episcopalian.

Now, if you're going to read the Bible, you have to read it responsibly.

That means respecting literary style.

The creation story in Genesis is Hebrew poetry based on the parallelism of the literary structure. Do you read poetry the same way you read a science report or a historical biography? No, not if you paid attention to your high school English teacher.

On the other hand, the arrest, trial and execution of Jesus reads like historical narrative because there is corroborating archaeology and manuscript evidence.

So you deny the Bible.

 

[Into the Night]

Agree, yet here you are claiming all kinds of supernatural, magical things because Jesus was an actual man on Earth.

Which is why I said "religious world". Catholicism is much closer to Methodist, Lutheran, etc than any other religion. No, Methodists don't pretend to be able to magically turn crackers into flesh. They just tell you it's flesh.

Yah, yah, yah... Plenty of Christians believe everything in the Bible is literal. The word of God. So the fact that you've apparently rationalized away some nonsensical stories, presumably to maintain your faith, doesn't change anything.

Too unbelieving of the power of God, eh?
Attempted proof by circular.

 

[Into the Night]

Cambridge Dictionary​

biochemistry
noun
'the scientific study of the chemistry of living things.'

No dictionary defines any word, Cyborg. That is not their purpose.
Biochemistry is not any part of science. There is no branch of science called 'biochemistry'.

Science is not a study.

 

[Into the Night]

he's trying to prove evango-ziotardism with archaeology.

Try English. It works better.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Try English. It works better.

Try anal. you won't get pregnant.

 

[ZenMode]

Based on what criteria? Based on what definition of "word"? Again, you called it a buzzWORD, right?

Surely you don't believe that you are the authority on what is/isn't a word.

Attempted negative proof fallacy.

Care to try again and attempt to answer the questions?

 

[Cypress]

Agree, yet here you are claiming all kinds of supernatural, magical things because Jesus was an actual man on Earth.

Atheists believe in the biggest miracle of all. That a mathematically rational, lawfully organized, finely tuned universe popped into existence out of nothing by pure chance.

Which is why I said "religious world". Catholicism is much closer to Methodist, Lutheran, etc than any other religion. No, Methodists don't pretend to be able to magically turn crackers into flesh. They just tell you it's flesh.

Protestants specifically rejected the doctrine of transmutation.

Christianity as a whole does not boil down in essence to crackers. You are just selectivity complaining about the parts you don't like.

Ritual practice and belief is a big part of all of our lives. Everytime you perform a toast at a wedding or blow out birthday candles you are participating in a ritual belief.

Yah, yah, yah... Plenty of Christians believe everything in the Bible is literal. The word of God. So the fact that you've apparently rationalized away some nonsensical stories, presumably to maintain your faith, doesn't change anything.

So we are in agreement that all Christians are not required to believe everything in the Bible is literally true.

Frankly, I can't see how anyone could treat the entire Bible as literal historical biography and scientific reporting. That what makes you unexpectedly extremely similar to fundamentalist Pentecostals and Southern Baptists.

 

[ZenMode]

Too unbelieving of the power of God, eh?
Attempted proof by circular.

Correct. None of the thousands of gods, that man has claimed exist, has ever convinced me they exist. That being the case, if I haven't been convinced in the existence of any gods, there's no reason to believe in their powers.

 

[Cypress]

ftfy
Webster's dictionary and Cambridge dictionary disagree with your claim that biochemistry is not a word.

 

[ZenMode]

Atheists believe in the biggest miracle of all. That a mathematically rational, lawfully organized, finely tuned universe popped into existence out of nothing by pure chance.

We don't know where the universe came from and that's ok. The fact is, many of the gaps in our knowledge were once filled by gods: lightning, disease, stars, mental illness, etc. Saying "I don't know" is infinitely more honest than manufacturing magical beings.

Protestants specifically rejected the doctrine of transmutation.

Yes. Rather than converting a cracker into flesh, they just give you a cracker and tell you it's the body of christ.

Christianity as a whole does not boil down in essence to crackers. You are just selectivity complaining about the parts you don't like.

I promise, it has nothing to do with "like".

Ritual practice and belief is a big part of all of our lives.

Yes, but they aren't generally based on consuming the blood and flesh of magical beings.

So we are in agreement that all Christians are not required to believe everything in the Bible is literally true.

No, there is no "Final Boss" that makes Christians believe anything. The range is wide. There are pastors in AZ who are still preaching that all gays should be killed. At the opposite end of the spectrum is someone like James Talarico who finds support for transgenderism in the Bible.

It would have been great if the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the universe had been clearer on many topics...

Frankly, I can't see how anyone could treat the entire Bible as literal historical biography and scientific reporting.

Conversely, many people can't understand how one can't recognize the Bible as the perfect, inerrant word of God.

Of course, as time goes on, and we advance as a society, the number of Biblical literalists will decrease or the rationalization will increase.