Archaeology of the New Testament

[Melchizedek=Tecumseh]

The fact that humans get sun burns, that a few of us get skin cancer, and that people in flood plains are at risk of property damage or bodily harm is not at all a convincing reason to conclude religious belief is wrong, and atheistic belief is right.

I still have no idea why you think humans are entitled to live in a flawless (your word), perfect, risk-free world. That is not sound deductive logic. It's just subjective opinion shrouded in self-centered self interest.

The universe is the way it is. Awe inspiring, beautiful, unfathomable.
There is no train of thought that leads me to conclude that everything which exists should exist for the purpose of maximum human comfort, convenience, and safety.

Even the Bible doesn't say God intended to make everything about the universe perfect for humans. Genesis 1 says God observed his creation and said it was 'good'. Not perfect, not flawless, not ideal.

If there is a providential creator who created a universe with objective meaning and purpose, my guess is that love and freedom is the ultimate purpose of human existence, and that is where we look for meaning. I don't think the ultimate purpose was to ensure sunburns and floods never, ever happen.

The Chaos of Satan's failed rebellion was transferred from the Spirit world to the new Spiritual creatures modern man ,starting with Adam!
That's the Genesis of why Earth and all the imbalance we have here.
Sooner or later you are going to realize that side controls this side!
Spirit is the missing link!

 

[Into the Night]

Only because your God designed it that way. Humans also have to ingest Vitamin C because, unlike other mammals, we can't synthesize our own vitamin C.

We don't need to. We get quite enough from the food we eat.

Most mammals (including dogs, cats, cows, mice, and goats) and most birds, reptiles, and amphibians can synthesize their own vitamin C. They accomplish this via the enzyme L-gulonolactone oxidase (GULO), which converts glucose into ascorbic acid in the liver or kidneys.

Nope. The list is a lot smaller than that!

Not because it HAS to. Because it was designed that way.

So now you claim a designer? A God?

Which wouldn't matter if humans were naturally resistant to UV.

UV light has little to do with vitamin C.

We aren't BY DESIGN. Why? Make make our primary light source deadly?

It isn't. Earth has an atmosphere that contains oxygen.

Great, why weren't we designed to stay dark skinned so our primary light source isn't deadly?

It isn't. Earth has an atmosphere that contains oxygen.

There's no reason light skinned people couldn't be immune to UV.

UV light is not an infection.

....if we had been DESIGNED that way by the being that had EVERY option available.

Still blinded by your religion, I see.

Right, so your God fine tuned molecules but fucked over humans

How?

- the entire reason the universe was created.

How do you know it was created?

Come on. You aren't even trying at this point.

You are both trying and failing.

Again, not ALL things, but some obvious things like the sun not causing cancer, the Earth having massive faults, etc.

The body normally destroys cancerous cells, which occur fairly regularly.
The Earth does not have 'massive faults'. Only the outer crust does.

I also marvel at all of it.

But you are blind.

 

[Into the Night]

The fact that humans get sun burns,

You can avoid sunburn by staying indoors during the morning hours. By late morning, the ozone layer has built up substantially, and UV-b light no longer reaches the surface.

that a few of us get skin cancer, and that people in flood plains are at risk of property damage or bodily harm is not at all a convincing reason to conclude religious belief is wrong, and atheistic belief is right.

Atheism is not a belief. He is not an atheist.

I still have no idea why you think humans are entitled to live in a flawless (your word), perfect, risk-free world. That is not sound deductive logic. It's just subjective opinion shrouded in self-centered self interest.

That it is.

The universe is the way it is. Awe inspiring, beautiful, unfathomable.

The Universe is unorganized.

There is no train of thought that leads me to conclude that everything which exists should exist for the purpose of maximum human comfort, convenience, and safety.

Safety? No one gets out of this life alive.

Even the Bible doesn't say God intended to make everything about the universe perfect for humans. Genesis 1 says God observed his creation and said it was 'good'. Not perfect, not flawless, not ideal.

It was created as a perfect world.
It remained so, until Adam introduced death into the world; and with it, knowledge of good and evil.
I honor Adam for what he did, even though imperfection was introduced. It was a tremendous decision, that literally altered the world and enabled everyone else to come here.

If there is a providential creator who created a universe with objective meaning and purpose, my guess is that love and freedom is the ultimate purpose of human existence, and that is where we look for meaning. I don't think the ultimate purpose was to ensure sunburns and floods never, ever happen.

How do know the Universe was created?

 

[Into the Night]

You are seeing what you want to see

So are you.

EVERYONE sees what they want to see.

and prioritizing what you want prioritizing and then explaining away whatever is needed to maintain your views.

And you are doing exactly the same thing.

You see this finely tuned universe, down to the microscopic level, that proves your god created it, but when obvious flaws, that show how un-finely tuned the universe, Earth and mankind actually are, it's all downplayed and explained away.

You are seeing what you want to see. It's all just confirmation bias.

Same with you.

 

[ZenMode]

We don't need to. We get quite enough from the food we eat.

Nope. The list is a lot smaller than that!

So now you claim a designer? A God?

UV light has little to do with vitamin C.

It isn't. Earth has an atmosphere that contains oxygen.

It isn't. Earth has an atmosphere that contains oxygen.

UV light is not an infection.

Still blinded by your religion, I see.

How?

How do you know it was created?

You are both trying and failing.

The body normally destroys cancerous cells, which occur fairly regularly.
The Earth does not have 'massive faults'. Only the outer crust does.

But you are blind.

Derp.
Derp.
Derp.

 

[ZenMode]

So are you.

EVERYONE sees what they want to see.


And you are doing exactly the same thing.

Same with you.

Nope. I am looking at everything and taking all of the details into consideration. I am not cherry picking.

 

[Into the Night]

Derp.
Derp.
Derp.

No answer or counterargument, eh?

 

[Into the Night]

Nope. I am looking at everything and taking all of the details into consideration. I am not cherry picking.

I never said you committed a cherry picking fallacy here, Void.
But you are seeing what you want to see, just like everyone does.

Indeed, you see less because of your fundamentalist religion.

 

[Ichabod Stain]

Tell us your Falun Gong beliefs

It will be great for a laugh

whats wrong with falung gong beliefs?

 

[Ichabod Stain]

And no one is buying it huh

God did nothing

It’s a myth created long ago by humans who’s brains desired answers to questions mankind had no answers for yet


The human mind is wired to seek answers and knowledge

Now we have a far greater understanding of existence through science


None of the religions are the one and only proof

They all failed mankinds needs for truth

Which is why so many were invented

Even under your beliefs all other religions are WRONG


How did you pick your current flavor?

My bet is you never chose anything


You inherited your religion from your family

wrong about what?

what is the question?

 

[Cypress]

You are seeing what you want to see and prioritizing what you want prioritizing and then explaining away whatever is needed to maintain your views. You see this finely tuned universe, down to the microscopic level, that proves your god created it, but when obvious flaws, that show how un-finely tuned the universe, Earth and mankind actually are, it's all downplayed and explained away.

You are seeing what you want to see. It's all just confirmation bias.

I'm using physics and abstractive logic to base my conclusions on.

There was a time I pretty much thought like you, but I ended up having to follow the evidence which points to the best explanation, it's more logical to believe the rational and lawful came from the rational and purposeful, than it is to believe the rational and material came from the irrational, inanimate, and immaterial.

You keep trying to insinuate that sunburns, skin cancer, floods, volcanoes have something to do with cosmological fine tuning. They don't.

 

[ZenMode]

But you are seeing what you want to see, just like everyone does.

I don't "want" to see anything. My views just aren't warped by religious brainwashing.

 

[Cypress]

The Universe is unorganized!

If it were true that the universe was truly random and unorganized, the cosmos would be at maximum entropy, at thermal equilibrium, and we would never be able to make accurate predictions of past and future trajectories of planets, asteroids, comets.

 

[ZenMode]

You keep trying to insinuate that sunburns, skin cancer, floods, volcanoes have something to do with cosmological fine tuning. They don't.

I'm insinuating that a designer/creator, who is interested in microscopic details, wouldn't be interested in the very fine details one minute and then turn around a make such obvious mistakes. That just doesn't make sense. In your world, your God designed his elements to fit neatly into a man-made, color-coded table.....oh, but also gave his PRIZE creation, man, a spine and knees that are designed for animals that walk in your legs, not two. He made the eyes of his prize creation backwards so every single human has a blind spot in their vision. He gave the ability to regrow limbs to other creatures...but not his prize creation. He's concerned about a table of elements, but forgot to rationally design DNA, so his prize creation is plagued by genetic defects.

I'll ask again...why?

 

[Into the Night]

I'm using physics and abstractive logic to base my conclusions on.

You are not using physics or logic.
Magick Words.

There was a time I pretty much thought like you, but I ended up having to follow the evidence which points to the best explanation, it's more logical to believe the rational and lawful came from the rational and purposeful, than it is to believe the rational and material came from the irrational, inanimate, and immaterial.

Buzzword fallacies. Go learn what 'rational' means.

The Universe is unorganized. There is no 'law of the Universe'.

You keep trying to insinuate that sunburns, skin cancer, floods, volcanoes have something to do with cosmological fine tuning. They don't.

There is no such thing as 'cosmological fine tuning'. Buzzword fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I don't "want" to see anything.

Really? Your fundamentalism is that bad?

My views just aren't warped by religious brainwashing.

They certainly are.

 

[Into the Night]

If it were true that the universe was truly random and unorganized, the cosmos would be at maximum entropy,

It is.

at thermal equilibrium,

Buzzword fallacy.

and we would never be able to make accurate predictions of past and future trajectories of planets, asteroids, comets.

Planets, asteroids, and comets are artifacts of this solar system.

The Universe is not a solar system.
The Universe is a random dust cloud.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm insinuating that a designer/creator, who is interested in microscopic details, wouldn't be interested in the very fine details one minute and then turn around a make such obvious mistakes.

What 'mistakes'??

That just doesn't make sense. In your world, your God designed his elements to fit neatly into a man-made, color-coded table.

Man created the periodic table.

....oh, but also gave his PRIZE creation, man, a spine and knees that are designed for animals that walk in your legs, not two.

I don't walk on his legs. I don't walk on your legs either, Void.

He made the eyes of his prize creation backwards so every single human has a blind spot in their vision.

All eyes have the same thing. They are covered by the other eye.

He gave the ability to regrow limbs to other creatures...but not his prize creation.

So?

He's concerned about a table of elements,

Man created the periodic table.

but forgot to rationally design DNA,

DNA is a marvelous coding device. It's extremely compact.

so his prize creation is plagued by genetic defects.

What do you consider 'genetic defects'?

I'll ask again...why?

You are demanding perfection again. You are not God. RQAA

 

[ZenMode]

They certainly are.

Nope. I neither gain nor lose anything by acknowledging the clear evidence that there isn't a designer/creator and that evolution, not a sky wizard, has made man how he is.

 

[ZenMode]

I don't walk on his legs. I don't walk on your legs either, Void.

^^^Derp^^^

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