Archaeology of the New Testament

[Jerry Mathers]

It's very convenient for you to equate what I've been talking about with your cartoon of a wizard in a white robe. I haven't asked you any questions about wizards, Viking gods, or a god of Abraham in a white robe.

The big bang is a scientific theory that explains how the universe started to expand.
It is not a theory of what actually caused the universe.
There is no scientific theory of first cause, and there never will be because it is a philosophical question.

Science and religion are asking different questions. Science does not answer any existential questions about purpose, meaning, love, free will or freedom. Science does not answer teleological questions of first cause or ultimate origin.

You're ignoring the question of why matter and energy follow mathematically rational and lawful rules.

Math is a system of pure logic. Surely you're not saying something as foolish as logic and rationality just suddenly appeared by chance from the inanimate and irrational.

Einstein was famously amazed that the universe is comprehensible, mathematical, rational.

The fact that you just take it for granted that the universe is lawful and rationally intelligible just suggests your education was limited to rote memorization - and you never thought about the really deep questions of ultimate reality.

Science has not disproved religion. The fact that we can make accurate predictions of velocity, momentum, energy, and conservation tell you nothing about ultimate first cause, purpose, or meaning.

Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein both thought the rational intelligibility of the universe pointed to something really marvelous. For Newton, it was evidence of the Christian God. For Einstein it was a revelation of some type of universal Pantheism.

You only are aware of "design flaws" because of some atheist article you read.

Prior to that you took extreme delight in your eyesight and body when watching sunsets or playing golf. It didn't occur to you anything was seriously wrong.

You are not thinking about the deepest level of physical reality, in which the universal physical constants and fundamental forces of physics converge at the edge of a razor blade to make complex atomic matter possible.
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no.

big bang is a theory of what started the universe.

stop lying

 

[Cypress]

big bang is a theory of what started the universe!

Nope. Big Bang is a theory of how the universe started to expand. It does not take us all the way back to time = zero, because our physics breaks down when you get back to a fraction of a microsecond.

There is no theory of what happened at time =zero, nor what caused the universe at exactly time = zero, and there never will be because it's untestable.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Nope. Big Bang is a theory of how the universe started to expand. It does not take us all the way back to time = zero, because our physics breaks down when you get back to a fraction of a microsecond.

There is no theory of what happened at time =zero, nor what caused the universe at exactly time = zero, and there never will be because it's untestable.

wrong.

its about the beginning of the universe.

always has been.

expanded from what initial size? Mr dumbass?

zero size?

 

[Cypress]

wrong.

its about the beginning of the universe.

No, it's a theory about how the universe began to expand.

Our confidence in what happened in the universe only extends as far back as the first microsecond or first nanosecond.

Before that, fundamental physics breaks down and none of our physics can tell us what was happening.

expanded from what initial size? Mr dumbass? Zero size?

A tiny size (by human standards) defined by Planck density. We have no physics that can describe what happens to spacetime at Planck density.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

No, it's a theory about how the universe began to expand.

expand from what initial size?

 

[Cypress]

expand from what initial size?

The current thinking is, the universe was probably smaller than a proton and so dense it was equal to or greater than Planck density. All our fundamental physics break down at Planck density and cannot tell us what was happening under those conditions.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

The current thinking is, the universe was probably smaller than a proton and so dense it was equal to or greater than Planck density. All our fundamental physics break down at Planck density and cannot tell us what was happening under those conditions.

that's not a size.

that's word salad.

 

[Cypress]

that's not a size!!!

Yes, a proton is a size known to be about 10 ^-15 meters. We know of fundamental particles even smaller than that.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

Yes, a proton is a size known to be about 10 ^-15 meters. We know of fundamental particles even smaller than that.

you said all those notions break down under "planck density".

a universe "existing in Planck density" doesnt exist in a meaningful sense.

big bang is a theory of the creation of the universe.

stop lying.

 

[Cypress]

you said all those notions break down under "planck density".

I said fundamental physics breaks down.
Just because we don't have to tools to understand it doesn't mean there was a reality beyond our comprehension.

a universe "existing in Planck density" doesnt exist in a meaningful sense!!

The universe doesn't care if it's meaningful to your primate brain. The universe isn't here to explain everything to your souped up chimpanzee brain.

You're trying to anthropomorphize the universe and squeeze it into a framework you are capable of understanding.

big bang is a theory of the creation of the universe!

Not exactly. The inflationary hot big bang theory is our current explanation of how the universe started expanding from an extremely hot, dense, and tiny micro-state near the origin point.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

I said fundamental physics breaks down.
Just because we don't have to tools to understand it doesn't mean there was a reality beyond our comprehension.

The universe doesn't care if it's meaningful to your primate brain. The universe isn't here to explain everything to your souped up chimpanzee brain.

You're trying to anthropomorphize the universe and squeeze it into a framework you are capable of understaffed.

Not exactly. It's the inflationary hot big bang theory is our current explanation of how the universe started expanding from an extremely hot, dense, and tiny state near the origin point.

this is gibberish and stupidity.

 

[Cypress]

this is gibberish!!!

ftfy
Maybe to someone who never set one foot in a physics or cosmology class.

The universe doesn't care if it doesn't make sense to you. The only way to really even start to nominally understand it is to speak it's language: math, logic, physics.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

ftfy
Maybe to someone who never set one foot in a physics or cosmology class.

The universe doesn't care if it doesn't make sense to you. The only way to really even start to nominally understand it is to speak it's language: math, logic, physics.

you said your self all notions breakdown under "Planck density".

its a theory of universal beginning.

its not "only expansion".

you're an idiotic liar.

 

[Cypress]

you said your self all notions breakdown under "Planck density".

I said our understanding of fundamental physics breaks down. Not that reality ceases to exist.

The universe doesn't care if you understand it. Reality is going to exist regardless of whether your monkey brain can comprehend it.

its a theory of universal beginning.

That might be the way it was taught to eighth grade kids 40 years ago.
That's not the way it's taught in college physics and cosmology today.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

I said our understanding of fundamental physics breaks down. Not that reality ceases to exist.

a universee the size of "not a meaningful size" does not exist.

 

[Cypress]

a universee the size of "not a meaningful size" does not exist!

The universe does not care what is meaningful to you. Your chimpanzee brain is not the final arbiter of all reality.

Your experience of space and time is not a reference point that is universally applicable. To a quark, a proton might seem almost infinitely large. If string theory is correct, then a quark in turn might seem almost infinitely large to a string loop.

"Contrary to popular belief, the big bang model is not a theory of how the universe began. The big bang is a moment of an incredibly high but finite density that we call Planck density. The big bang is, rather, the earliest moment we can currently talk about."​

- Gary Felder, professor of physics​

 

[Jerry Mathers]

The universe does not care what is meaningful to you.

this has nothing to do with the universe.

this is you being a desperate idiotic fool.

Your experience of space and time is not a reference point that is universally applicable. To a quark, a proton might seem almost infinitely large. If string theory is correct, A quark might seem infinitly large to a string.

"Contrary to popular belief, the big bang model is not a theory of how the universe began. The big bang is a moment of an incredibly high but finite density that we call Planck density. The big bang is, rather, the earliest moment we can currently talk about."​

- Gary Felder, professor of physics​

bullshit.

its about the beginning of the universe.

 

[Cypress]

bullshit!

The smallest size your chimpanzee can physically perceive is a tenth of a millimeter, at best. The smallest interval of time your chimpanzee brain can even grasp is a tenth of a second, at best.

The limitations your chimpanzee brain place on your experience of space and time do not apply to the rest of the universe.

The big bang describes the expansion and evolution of an ultra hot and ultra dense micro-state of reality.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

The smallest size your chimpanzee can physically perceive is a tenth of a millimeter, at best. The smallest interval of time your chimpanzee brain can even grasp is a tenth of a second, at best.

The limitations your chimpanzee brain place on your experience of space and time do not apply to the rest of the universe.

The big bang describes the expansion and evolution of an ultra hot and ultra dense micro-state of reality.

also called nothingness.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

The smallest size your chimpanzee can physically perceive is a tenth of a millimeter, at best. The smallest interval of time your chimpanzee brain can even grasp is a tenth of a second, at best.

The limitations your chimpanzee brain place on your experience of space and time do not apply to the rest of the universe.

The big bang describes the expansion and evolution of an ultra hot and ultra dense micro-state of reality.

what is the temperature of the "Planck state of reality"?

you say it's hot. is that monkey skin related?