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[Uncensored2008]

I wouldn't know, I'm not trans! I'm non binary! View attachment 94276

I'll clue you in, since you're insane.

If you were born with a penis, you are a male. If you were born with a vagina, you are female. The mental illness you suffer with doesn't change reality. Your delusions don't change reality. Playing make believe - even if you can force people to go along with your delusions, is still just fantasy.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Mormons do not promote Free Masons.

In fact they do.

Joseph and Hyrum Smith both joined the Masons and commanded that those of Aaronic Priesthood must be Masons. This was in the Nauvoo period.

I've seen nothing to indicate that this edict was ever rescinded. And the symbols on Magic Underwear remain Masonic.

 

[Cypress]

I will bookmark this post so that I can return to it the next time you claim agnosticism!

You're a stalker. You probably have dozens of my posts bookmarked.

I haven't called myself an agnostic in probably at least two years. I'm not dogmatic like you, I can evolve and change my mind based on evidence and reflection. At this time, the evidence suggests to me it's more likely that some kind of rational agency or organizing principle underlies the universe.

 

[Uncensored2008]

How do you know this?

The Catholics don't promote Free Masons either.

As I recall, the Catholics hunted down and killed Masons for hundreds of years.

Satan is not worshiped by Masons.

Nor is it a Zionist or Jewish organization.

Nazi boi Jerry has been listening to Candice Owens again.

 

[Uncensored2008]

are there zero minister Masons?

Irrelevant.

You told a very stupid Nazi lie that "ALL Protestant Minister" are Masons.

Prove it, Nazi boi.

gotta link, dimwit?

A link to what, Nazi retard?

Making up idiocy and demanding others "prove you wrong" is infantile - Nazi boi.

 

[Uncensored2008]

going all in on word games makes you weak and foolish.

herpes invades your dick, even though you have no official border there. there are home invasion. there are invasive species.

unwanted migration is defacto invasion.

say it aloud.

try to understand with your dumb head.

So, how long have you been off your meds?

 

[Cypress]

So you, like most religious folks, have determined that you own the word "morality".

That's fine. You can have it.

I can still say what is right and wrong via the rubric explained to you now MANY MANY MANY times.

You stated that your system of values is based on the principle that if I don't kill you, you won't kill me.

That is very utilitarian and based on self-interest and reciprocity. I don't see how you can call that a moral system based on the objective and innate values of absolute right and wrong.

Oh, you mean "innate" and "objective" as in outside of space and time.

Well again that doesn't exist, Cypress.

You didn't put much thought into this.

There is an entire immaterial reality that can and does affect this universe. Mathematics, the laws of logic, the natural laws and physical constants are not defined by mass, spatial dimension, matter, but they do govern the evolution of space, matter, and energy. Love and moral conscience have an effect on the universe, and I challenge you to measure an ounce of love, or measure a pound of compassion.

 

[murph63]

I haven't called myself an agnostic in probably at least two years.

THANK YOU FOR ADMITING THAT YOU ARE NOT AN AGNOSTIC!!!! You are a believer, as I suspected.

But ironically you played coy about your status as a believer. Hmmmm. Again, your dishonesty is interesting for someone

I'm not dogmatic like you, I can evolve and change my mind based on evidence and reflection.

What made you stop being an agnostic? Serious question. What did you see or experience that let you know that it is more likely that magical invisible things exist that control the world?

At this time, the evidence suggests to me it's more likely that some kind of rational agency or organizing principle underlies the universe.

Because of math, amirite? That's pretty weak tea. IMHO that's what a simpleton thinks.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

So, how long have you been off your meds?

yes. you have no rebuttal.

go lick your dum dum ladle.

 

[murph63]

You stated that your system of values is based on the principle that if I don't kill you, you won't kill me.

That is very utilitarian and based on self-interest and reciprocity.

SO? At least it's based on SOMETHING other than your imagination that invisible SKY DADDY is in control.

I don't see how you can call that a moral system

So again, you object to a meaningless set of words. We are talking about having "right" and "wrong".

You have decided to solve the Euthyphro dilemma by agreeing that anything God does is ipso facto good. Your idea of "good" is MEANINGLESS.

There is an entire immaterial reality that can and does affect this universe. Mathematics, the laws of logic,

<eye roll> Sigh. No.

the natural laws and physical constants are not defined by mass, spatial dimension, matter, but they do govern the evolution of space, matter, and energy. Love and moral conscience have an effect on the universe, and I challenge you to measure an ounce of love, or measure a pound of compassion.

Bullshit.

You believe invisible magic beings tell you what is good and bad. That makes you a questionable person. Probably explains why you appear to have no actual morality or belief in right and wrong (hence your constant dishonesty)

 

[murph63]

So at least ONE person on this forum thinks that if I have one orange and I buy another orange the fact that I now have TWO oranges is a sign that GOD EXISTS TO DEFINE MORALITY.

That's hilarious.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

You stated that your system of values is based on the principle that if I don't kill you, you won't kill me.

That is very utilitarian and based on self-interest and reciprocity.

yes.

that's the golden rule.

why do you hate Jesus?

 

[murph63]

yes.

that's the golden rule.

why do you hate Jesus?

That's a clever play, Jerry. Well done!

Indeed, reciprocity is at the heart of the Golden Rule. It is effectively a pro-active reciprocity.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

 

[Jerry Mathers]

That's a clever play, Jerry. Well done!

Indeed, reciprocity is at the heart of the Golden Rule. It is effectively a pro-active reciprocity.

its amazing how many people actually hate Jesus values.

especially the warmonger genociders.

 

[murph63]

its amazing how many people actually hate Jesus values.

especially the warmonger genociders.

It is doubly ironic for @Cypress because he literally blathers ALL THE TIME about how Christianity is at the heart of all the good of Western Civilization.

Cypress doesn't understand that it was HIS ACTIONS that turned me into his enemy for life. Early on when I first joined he was rather rude and nasty to me. I finally had enough and pushed back and it escalated. At one point (actually at SEVERAL) I attempted to re-establish a civil relationship. But he kept being a prick.

So he gets what he wants.

He showed that even though he blathers about Christianity all the time (and its central role to all the greatness of western civilization!) but he can't even grasp the simple concept of getting along or forgiving each other for transgressions. At that point it was all too clear he was not worth engaging as a good person.

I tried to both apologize and re-normalize relations. He hated.

And that's what Cy has: his hatred. He hates atheists, he hates me, he hates hates hates.

I have simply decided that he is a worthless waste but fun to remind of his limitations.

 

[Jerry Mathers]

It is doubly ironic for @Cypress because he literally blathers ALL THE TIME about how Christianity is at the heart of all the good of Western Civilization.

Cypress doesn't understand that it was HIS ACTIONS that turned me into his enemy for life. Early on when I first joined he was rather rude and nasty to me. I finally had enough and pushed back and it escalated. At one point (actually at SEVERAL) I attempted to re-establish a civil relationship. But he kept being a prick.

So he gets what he wants.

He showed that even though he blathers about Christianity all the time (and its central role to all the greatness of western civilization!) but he can't even grasp the simple concept of getting along or forgiving each other for transgressions. At that point it was all too clear he was not worth engaging as a good person.

I tried to both apologize and re-normalize relations. He hated.

And that's what Cy has: his hatred. He hates atheists, he hates me, he hates hates hates.

I have simply decided that he is a worthless waste but fun to remind of his limitations.

yes.

he wants to keep the authority structures of the churches but change the message to nazi-ism.

he's always an arrogant jackass.

your observations are consistent with most others.

One of us.
one of us.
one of us.

Bonk bonk on the head bonk bonk
bonk bonk on the head bonk bonk.

 

[murph63]

yes.

he wants to keep the authority structures of the churches but change the message to nazi-ism.

he's always an arrogant jackass.

your observations are consisten with most others.

One of us.
one of us.
one of us.

Bonk bonk on the head bonk bonk
bonk bonk on the heat bonk bonk.

His arrogance is kinda offensive. Especially when it is so manifestly obvious that he doesn't really grok any of the shit he quotes authorities on. All he does is name-check and when you question why he believes that statement by that authority invariably it is "becuz he's a real famous physicist!" or "he's a real famous philozopher!" Never any sort of "in his own words" analysis of the point.

And don't even TRY to get him to think about ANYTHING differently from the famous philosopher. He won't. Because he has received the wisdom and it is true.

Like the way ancient doctors used to slavishly adhere to Galen when real medicine was in another direction.

 

[Into the Night]

sorry. Lucifer. luciferian eugenicist nihilists.

Random words. No apparent coherency. Go learn some English.

 

[Into the Night]

Interesting. You're stealing religious values to criticize religion itself. You clearly are making the case that murder is objectively wrong and inherently evil.

Why does atheism believe murder is objectively wrong and inherently evil, independent of social convention, self interest, and opinion?

Atheism is not a religion, Cyborg. He is not an atheist.