A little education for our Maga/Alt-Right friends.

All I said is that Blacks wanted to live in the cities, if the suburb schools were better (and the probably generally were) that was not going to change the calculous.
That's not all you said. You said they generally couldn't afford the suburbs, had no desire to live there, and then brought up a lack of interest in education.

Obviously some black families preferred the cities. But others wanted to move to the suburbs and were explicitly barred from doing so. That's the part you seem to keep trying to explain away.
 
The lack of interest in education in black culture goes back a long way....Cosby spent decades talking about this.....plus during the red lining days city schools tended to be reasonably good......that is all gone now but that is another story.
This coming from a drunken cracka goyim
 
I am not an expert on this subject but I think the racism story is over sold. The truth is that blacks and PR's generally had lower paying factory jobs and did not have the financial ability to live in the suburbs, nor did they have any desire as they liked the communal life of the cities.
You're right. Not only not an "expert", but you have a revisionist view that belies historical fact. Here are some points to properly educate you on the subject.

www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america

www.history.com/articles/gi-bill-black-wwii-veterans-benefits
 
JPP has been host to a plethora of folk who have their own versions of America's congenital racism .... mostly denial if not out right attempts at justification.

Well, I came across this on FaceBook, and just couldn't resist throwing some HISTORICAL FACTS into the conversation (facts being akin to sunlight to a vampire for the aforementioned folks). The reactions are going to range from predictable to the absurd, but (God forgive me) I just couldn't resist. Enjoy! ;)


View: https://youtu.be/ETR9qrVS17g?si=IJtWjWcNbA_h-0Ul
Now do how there were free black slaveowners in America from day 1, (before) and how Indians took black slaves too, you retarded rotten fucknugget!
Kinda puts a damper on your bullshit whitey hate, huh? Dumbass. :awesome:
 
Now do how there were free black slaveowners in America from day 1, (before) and how Indians took black slaves too, you retarded rotten fucknugget!
Kinda puts a damper on your bullshit whitey hate, huh? Dumbass. :awesome:
:palm: Oh Matty, Matty, Matty .... so triggered by a simple video that tells a few truisms about America, he just sputters and fumes like a fool.

Pay attention, gumby: Chattel Slavery began in 1619 and ended (officially) in 1865. That's 246 years. In that time, there was an estimated 4 million black slaves in America before the end of the Civil War. By 1830 there were an estimated 4 thousand freed blacks that owned slaves who owned between 12 - 20 thousand slave. When slavery ended Jim Crow laws were initiated, so freed blacks and former slave blacks were on equal footing, so to speak. That nonsense didn't end until 1968 ... 103 years in total.

Now, as I said to others earlier, if a person can trace through records their ancestry to an African slave that was owned by a family or business that is STILL thriving today, then they could petition for reparations .... providing Congress enacts such laws. That goes for corporations and idividuals regardless of race, creed or color. Capice?

But this is a slight detour from the OP, of which you cannot debunk. And just to ensure you don't waste more time and space with your BS:

www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america

www.history.com/articles/gi-bill-black-wwii-veterans-benefits
 
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Redlining was used to keep towns and small cities segregated but that breaks down re cities/suburbs because as I pointed out blacks had very little interest in living in the suburbs.....still dont in fact.
 
And here's where the wheels come off your mental processing wagon, Hawk. You spew rhetoric that could be found in a StormFront article, yet when faced with valid, documented facts you just deny them outright without ANY logical or factual reason. Seems your alt-right persona is showing.

Once I reduce jokers like you to the drivel you posted, I just put them on the ignore list, as what follows is the usual goalpost shifts, revisionist rhetoric, supposition and conjecture and just plain old BS from the like of your and your brethren. You're done .... see you in a month or so.
 
Redlining was used to keep towns and small cities segregated but that breaks down re cities/suburbs because as I pointed out blacks had very little interest in living in the suburbs.....still dont in fact.
You're just in denial of the historical facts of Post #43, and are parroting the same old revisionist bigoted BS. You're done.
 
Do you really need me to go through that 6 minutes of generalized and often wrong tripe in the video in the OP to show you Conner is an idiot and you are as well for not actually doing your homework?
No stupid, You need to stop stalling and provide the readers with valid, documented proof that debunks the points of the OP video. If you can't do it, don't waste everyone's time blowing smoke. Learn to debate like a rational adult.
 
Redlining was used to keep towns and small cities segregated but that breaks down re cities/suburbs because as I pointed out blacks had very little interest in living in the suburbs.....still dont in fact.
This is some amazing logic here. For starters discrimination went far beyond simple redlining.

When the suburban boom started black people were effectively barred or shut out of many of them. Yet somehow you’ve determined they didn’t want to live there even if they could.

And today well over half of black people live in the suburbs or rural areas yet you’ve decided they still don’t want to?
 
This is some amazing logic here. For starters discrimination went far beyond simple redlining.

When the suburban boom started black people were effectively barred or shut out of many of them. Yet somehow you’ve determined they didn’t want to live there even if they could.

And today well over half of black people live in the suburbs or rural areas yet you’ve decided they still don’t want to?
Fine. Here's the demolition of that dreck video:

Conner starts out with what is supposed to be a humorous anecdote. Instead, it is simply an argument from anecdote and a logical fallacy.

Then at 0:32, he makes a sweeping generalization "It was decades of racist federal policy..." That isn't true, and he offers no supporting evidence for his position. From there, he trots out his 'Redlining game' to show the history of redlining. The only problem is he narrowly defines the problem as one of solely race.

Redlining was NOT primarily racist--yes, there was a streak of racism involved in it--but it was as much about property values, crime, urban decay, and associated issues. That is, older neighborhoods with homes now in decline were often ones that minorities moved into because that was what they could afford. With the homes in poor condition, higher crime, and other negative issues--other than race--loan companies were reluctant to invest in these areas. That is, they 'redlined' them. Auto and home insurance companies do the same thing, more or less, today. They jack up rates in such areas because they cannot otherwise make a profit, but they are forced to sell policies to people living there.

Then he uses hyperbole at 1:26 "No loans were available..." Untrue. Loans were available but often the customer was turned down because of poor credit, lack of collateral (eg., the home was worth less or close to the value of the loan making it risky). He follows this with a lie "(Redlining) was done in areas where African Americans and other minorities lived..." (1:46) Whites, usually poorer ones, still lived in these areas too, often making up a significant portion of the population. They were not more able to get loans and such than their minority neighbors for the reasons I outlined.

The truth is that older neighborhoods closer to the city center had become rundown with declining property values. They tended to have more crime, and were simply not loan worthy regardless of the person asking for one's race. It's like taking out a loan on an older, used, car when you have poor credit.

Next, the trots out Levittown Long Island NY as a cherry-picked example of racism. This is from the late 1940's (just post WW 2). He uses an historical fallacy in a sweeping generalization and implies that this was common practice everywhere in the US when it was not. Worse, he makes a very tenuous implication that it is still going on.

At 2:17 he makes a false statement. That is, he lies. The federal government did not specifically tell or order developers to discriminate in the post war era. Conner makes no specific reference to any law or legislation about this. By the 70's this whole line of bullshit starts to fall apart.

In fact, what he argues occurred could be equally applied to Pullman and other Company towns from the late 19th Century forward across the US. These often had completely White populations.

With these, those that could manage their finances and get ahead with savings and such were able to get loans and eventually move out of the company town into the "free" economy. Those that couldn't were often stuck in the company town, often owing the company large sums of money borrowed forward against their future pay. The result is the same, only without race.

Egregiously, at 4:20 he trots out Nikole Hanna-Jones of the NY Times. She is best known for her thoroughly debunked and discredited 1619 Project. Given her demonstrated bias and poor record of research honesty, she hardly makes a credible source.

The video is tripe and nothing more.
 
Fine. Here's the demolition of that dreck video:

Conner starts out with what is supposed to be a humorous anecdote. Instead, it is simply an argument from anecdote and a logical fallacy.

Then at 0:32, he makes a sweeping generalization "It was decades of racist federal policy..." That isn't true, and he offers no supporting evidence for his position. From there, he trots out his 'Redlining game' to show the history of redlining. The only problem is he narrowly defines the problem as one of solely race.

Redlining was NOT primarily racist--yes, there was a streak of racism involved in it--but it was as much about property values, crime, urban decay, and associated issues. That is, older neighborhoods with homes now in decline were often ones that minorities moved into because that was what they could afford. With the homes in poor condition, higher crime, and other negative issues--other than race--loan companies were reluctant to invest in these areas. That is, they 'redlined' them. Auto and home insurance companies do the same thing, more or less, today. They jack up rates in such areas because they cannot otherwise make a profit, but they are forced to sell policies to people living there.

Then he uses hyperbole at 1:26 "No loans were available..." Untrue. Loans were available but often the customer was turned down because of poor credit, lack of collateral (eg., the home was worth less or close to the value of the loan making it risky). He follows this with a lie "(Redlining) was done in areas where African Americans and other minorities lived..." (1:46) Whites, usually poorer ones, still lived in these areas too, often making up a significant portion of the population. They were not more able to get loans and such than their minority neighbors for the reasons I outlined.

The truth is that older neighborhoods closer to the city center had become rundown with declining property values. They tended to have more crime, and were simply not loan worthy regardless of the person asking for one's race. It's like taking out a loan on an older, used, car when you have poor credit.

Next, the trots out Levittown Long Island NY as a cherry-picked example of racism. This is from the late 1940's (just post WW 2). He uses an historical fallacy in a sweeping generalization and implies that this was common practice everywhere in the US when it was not. Worse, he makes a very tenuous implication that it is still going on.

At 2:17 he makes a false statement. That is, he lies. The federal government did not specifically tell or order developers to discriminate in the post war era. Conner makes no specific reference to any law or legislation about this. By the 70's this whole line of bullshit starts to fall apart.

In fact, what he argues occurred could be equally applied to Pullman and other Company towns from the late 19th Century forward across the US. These often had completely White populations.

With these, those that could manage their finances and get ahead with savings and such were able to get loans and eventually move out of the company town into the "free" economy. Those that couldn't were often stuck in the company town, often owing the company large sums of money borrowed forward against their future pay. The result is the same, only without race.

Egregiously, at 4:20 he trots out Nikole Hanna-Jones of the NY Times. She is best known for her thoroughly debunked and discredited 1619 Project. Given her demonstrated bias and poor record of research honesty, she hardly makes a credible source.

The video is tripe and nothing more.
Are you drunk or just a complete, insipidly stubborn asshole?

You keep trying to debunk everything in the video WITH YOUR OPINION and statements by which you cannot prove. Case in point, the dog pile on The 1619 project smacks of jingoistic bias. Ir's one thing to point out specific flaws and to disagree with interpretation of history, but the backlash was something akin to what clods like you would do. And yet no one discusses the following: www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-the-1619-project-underscores-connection-between-slavery-and-modern-america

And here's how I schooled one of our brethren regarding the rest of your screed: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/t...ur-maga-alt-right-friends.251130/post-7094832

Now, repeat yourself in various ways or run down another alley.
 
Are you drunk or just a complete, insipidly stubborn asshole?

You keep trying to debunk everything in the video WITH YOUR OPINION and statements by which you cannot prove. Case in point, the dog pile on The 1619 project smacks of jingoistic bias. Ir's one thing to point out specific flaws and to disagree with interpretation of history, but the backlash was something akin to what clods like you would do. And yet no one discusses the following: www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-the-1619-project-underscores-connection-between-slavery-and-modern-america

And here's how I schooled one of our brethren regarding the rest of your screed: https://www.justplainpolitics.com/t...ur-maga-alt-right-friends.251130/post-7094832

Now, repeat yourself in various ways or run down another alley.
So, off to ad hominem hum?





I'll toss this one in just so you have something you can rail against with more ad hominem

 
So, off to ad hominem hum?





I'll toss this one in just so you have something you can rail against with more ad hominem
, bu
Don't start none, won't be none gumby. You can post all the anti 1619 Project screens you want but they won't erase the whiny bias of them. One even made the fantastic claim that early African slaves were indentured servants!

I've already posted valid documentation regarding red lining and the GI Bill. Your erroneous myopia can't debunk the basis of the video ... but like a petulant child you'll keep claiming othwise. Carry on.
 
Don't start none, won't be none gumby. You can post all the anti 1619 Project screens you want but they won't erase the whiny bias of them. One even made the fantastic claim that early African slaves were indentured servants!

I've already posted valid documentation regarding red lining and the GI Bill. Your erroneous myopia can't debunk the basis of the video ... but like a petulant child you'll keep claiming othwise. Carry on.
You have proved nothing. Other than the video in the OP you have linked to two PBS / NPR pieces--essentially a single source--that hand slathering praise to and a one-sided non-objective view of this subject. The PBS piece is just an interview with Hanna-Jones and nothing more. You are the one that's myopic here.
 
The lack of interest in education in black culture goes back a long way....Cosby spent decades talking about this.....plus during the red lining days city schools tended to be reasonably good......that is all gone now but that is another story.
400 years of being whipped for reading will change your culture.
 
You have proved nothing. Other than the video in the OP you have linked to two PBS / NPR pieces--essentially a single source--that hand slathering praise to and a one-sided non-objective view of this subject. The PBS piece is just an interview with Hanna-Jones and nothing more. You are the one that's myopic here.
unions did create the middle class too, as much as your libertarian swimming in cum corporate sea monkeys like to deny it.

being delusionally out of touch doesn't raise your authority.
 
unions did create the middle class too, as much as your libertarian swimming in cum corporate sea monkeys like to deny it.

being delusionally out of touch doesn't raise your authority.
No, unions did not.

A proof of that today is even when a union is present with a company, in Right to Work states most workers choose not to join. Union memberships is on the decline outside of public service and government.

There's a reason for that, and that is workers don't see any value in joining a union in many cases.
 
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