What nation started Socialist…

Jarod said:
Name a nation that started socialist and later fell into communism?

Does socialism always lead to communism?!?
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I don’t know

I’ll have to do a search if this soon

It’s bound to be fascinating

I do know the American founders decided to craft a hybrid of Democracy that held solid to capitalism yet imployed use of socialism and regulatory power in the hands of the peoples elected representatives


Take all the great aspects of their then times modern world living examples.

Seeking to weave them together using those both good and bad aspects into a structure that made them more at heel to the people


And a thing of beauty she is


Some people are just to shallow and greedy to see that beauty

So the majority has to whoop those peoples asses into shape from time to time


The founders handed us the tools

And with all our floundering

Those tools are still going to save this beauty


Those men (and the women they were wise enough to listen to) Are about to prove Democracy crafted correctly has pushed through the notion that a democracy can indeed reach for the 300th year old mark


I can’t wait for the phase where we polish this beauty up!

Change the oil and filter

Put some new tires on

new spark plugs

A new fan belt

Let’s remember that it will all get done quicker if we work together like we all want her cruising sweet again

No fucking bullshit about buying the cheap brands because someone thinks cars are evil and don’t deserve the money spent mmmkay

We saw what that silly shortsighted none-sense got us right?
 
Jarod said:
Says the woman who depended on welfare in her last decade of life.
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That is a lie.
mischaracterization; Ayn Rand received Social Security and Medicare benefits in her final years, not means-tested welfare programs like food stamps or unemployment.
 
Nordberg said:
Trump supporters want a powerful leader making all decisions. They want a family woven into the political structure. They want an aggressive military, They want the people and press to feel and fear the president's power, they want the press controlled. In short, they want what you want: Fascism.
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Librtlover said:
The legacy leftist media press under biden had Trump banned from several of their stations. The only people wanting and actually weaving people into their Socialist/Communist political structure/party is of course the dummycrats. Trump and his supporters have chosen to wave the American Flag, abide by the Constitution, and support all of Trump's actions and or policies that keep America safe.
And you call that fascism? Time for you to read up on what describes a fascist.
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In fact, CNN , MSNBC, and regular stations made him president by showing his stupid rallies from beginning to end, because they were weird and a show. You are so damn ignorant,
 
Valentino said:
That is a lie.
mischaracterization; Ayn Rand received Social Security and Medicare benefits in her final years, not means-tested welfare programs like food stamps or unemployment.
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Even though she claimed to hate social security, and didn't have to collect it.

Ayn Rand's Stance on Social Security​

Ayn Rand was firmly against Social Security, which she viewed as a form of legalized plunder. She believed that the program forced individuals to contribute to a system that was fundamentally unjust. Rand argued that such welfare programs violated the moral rights of individuals by redistributing wealth from one group to another.

Key Points of Her Opposition
  • Legalized Plunder: Rand considered Social Security a coercive system that seized money from younger workers to pay for older individuals' retirement.
  • Moral Philosophy: She advocated for individual rights, including the right to one's life, liberty, and property. Rand believed that the welfare state undermined these principles.
  • Critique of Redistribution: Rand opposed any form of wealth redistribution, arguing that it harmed both the productive members of society and those it aimed to help.

Accusations of Hypocrisy​

Despite her strong opposition, Rand did collect Social Security benefits later in her life. This has led to accusations of hypocrisy from critics who argue that her acceptance of these benefits contradicts her philosophical beliefs. However, supporters argue that her situation reflects the coercive nature of the system, as individuals are forced to participate in it regardless of their beliefs.
 
christiefan915 said:
Even though she claimed to hate social security, and didn't have to collect it.

Ayn Rand's Stance on Social Security​

Ayn Rand was firmly against Social Security, which she viewed as a form of legalized plunder. She believed that the program forced individuals to contribute to a system that was fundamentally unjust. Rand argued that such welfare programs violated the moral rights of individuals by redistributing wealth from one group to another.

Key Points of Her Opposition
  • Legalized Plunder: Rand considered Social Security a coercive system that seized money from younger workers to pay for older individuals' retirement.
  • Moral Philosophy: She advocated for individual rights, including the right to one's life, liberty, and property. Rand believed that the welfare state undermined these principles.
  • Critique of Redistribution: Rand opposed any form of wealth redistribution, arguing that it harmed both the productive members of society and those it aimed to help.

Accusations of Hypocrisy​

Despite her strong opposition, Rand did collect Social Security benefits later in her life. This has led to accusations of hypocrisy from critics who argue that her acceptance of these benefits contradicts her philosophical beliefs. However, supporters argue that her situation reflects the coercive nature of the system, as individuals are forced to participate in it regardless of their beliefs.
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She was correct. SS is a massive government Ponzi scheme.
 
Valentino said:
That is a lie.
mischaracterization; Ayn Rand received Social Security and Medicare benefits in her final years, not means-tested welfare programs like food stamps or unemployment.
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My mistake…. But?

You don’t think social security or Medicare are socialist in nature?
 
martin said:
Communism is just an extreme form of socialism. Also a bullshit form - while technically all property is state owned a privileged group exists in practice who have all the attributes of ownership other than legal title.
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Simply untrue. Communism is a transition to stateless nationhood.

Socialism is a bigger state that ensures the wealthy few do not disenfranchise the 90%.
 
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