Renee Good's family sues Trump administration over fatal Minneapolis shooting

Earl said:
These far left loons twist themselves into pretzels trying to defend these loons who intentionally interfere with ICE.

How about some support for the brave men and women of ICE who are attacked when they are picking up these violent illegal criminals?

The safety and security of our fellow Americans are higher priorities than protecting illegals for their votes.
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Good didn't do anything that warranted lethal force. I'll defend Good's right to live - that doesn't make me a loon.
 
BartenderElite said:
Good didn't do anything that warranted lethal force. I'll defend Good's right to live - that doesn't make me a loon.
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She presented an imminent danger to ICE and this is halppening more and more as the left sees their grand plan to repopulate America failing.

Yes, interfering with an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent or operation is a federal crime.[1, 2]

The Law
  • 18 U.S.C. § 111: It is a federal crime to forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere with a federal law enforcement officer (including ICE agents) while they are performing their official duties. [1, 2]
  • Penalties: Depending on the severity of the action, convictions can lead to criminal charges, significant fines, or prison sentences ranging from several years up to 20 years if a weapon or serious injury is involved. [1]

What Constitutes "Interference" vs. Legal Rights
  • What is illegal: Physically blocking agents, pushing or grabbing officers, harboring or coordinating the escape of a target with specific intent, or refusing lawful direct orders to step back during an active operation.

Good would be safe at home if she had not interfered with an ICE operation.
 
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Earl said:
She presented an imminent danger to ICE and this is halppening more and more as the left sees their grand plan to repopulate America failing.
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No, she didn't. You continue to lie about that.

The officer created a more dangerous situation for the whole street by shooting.
 
Earl said:
Excellent summary…hand salute.
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When things like this happen, of course the Dems would deny having played any part in it, but it's the Dems that are using words like fascists and Nazi that are received as a call to violent action by their supporters, and the supporters are clearly using the Dems' hateful words in their threats...

The word "Nazi" comes up a lot in their anti-ICE rhetoric a lot, and it's coming from the top down. It's coming from congress down to the dems' supporters.

If an ICE agent is ever murdered, and the casing has the word "Nazi" written on it, there could be legal accountability coming to the Dems that they should have been aware of.
 
BartenderElite said:
It has been SPUN numerous times on this thread, by several posters. But the facts remain the facts, and the video remains the video.
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Do you really believe that an ICE agent would use his weapon unless he feared for his life or his fellow agents’ lives?

Really?

They know that the far left loons will contest everything they do.

How would you like to have to make life and death decisions in a split second and have paid protesters pelt you with urine, acid, and bricks?

Or try to dodge automobiles aimed at them?
 
WCM said:
Almost every tragedy results from some confluence of much smaller mistakes made by various people, at various times, which come together at the same unfortunate instant:
  1. The Demonrats pushed the illegal immigration farce to a completely ridiculous level, making the cleanup process messy
  2. Then the Demonrats and their minions were inciting violence against ICE agents for years, and the resulting death threats and harassment of ICE agents faced for the last 18 months had them all stressed and edgy
  3. The Dems various cult-militias weren't properly briefing their acolytes on the dangers involved, as evidenced by the fact that Good's wife was somehow led to believe that ICE only had rubber bullets
  4. The twats were out harassing ICE agents, oblivious to the number of serious crimes that they were committing in a short span of time
  5. the twats were unaware of how dangerous they were making the agents' jobs by alerting dangerous criminals to their presence, and that was putting all the officers even more on edge
  6. the officer never should have walked in front of a car that had a low-IQ cultist minion at the wheel
  7. officers to the side of the car shouldn't have chosen the moment that an officer was in front of the car to try to arrest her
  8. Good shouldn't have tried to flee the scene when there was an agent in front of her
  9. if the officer wasn't staring at his phone when he walked in front of the car he would have been more situationally aware, and might have predicted Good's reaction before her foot hit the gas pedal, scaring him
So, if a lot of people had been more reasonable, over the span of the last 6 years or so, there wouldn't have been an issue at all, but the Dems keep ramping up the rhetoric, and the protests and threats against ICE keep getting worse, the riots become more brazen, etc.

The incident happened because when the demonrats dedicate themselves to so much hatred and violence for so long, across such a wide landscape, incidents like this are inevitable.
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It all comes down to DEMOCRATS.
TDS is a fata; disease. There is no known cure.
 
BartenderElite said:
Good didn't do anything that warranted lethal force. I'll defend Good's right to live - that doesn't make me a loon.
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Let's see. She:

Illegally drove the wrong way up a one-way street
She then illegally parked in the middle of that street blocking traffic (in whole or part makes zero difference here)
She then resisted arrest
Following that, she attempted to flee the scene, a felony
In fleeing, she endangered several law enforcement officers and struck one of them with her vehicle--another more serious felony.

Good brought that shit storm on herself. Nobody else made her do any of that. If she had obeyed the ICE officers and gotten out of the vehicle. She would still be alive. But she chose felony flight turning her vehicle--intentionally or not--into a potentially deadly weapon.

All that said, yes, you are a loon.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Let's see. She:

Illegally drove the wrong way up a one-way street
She then illegally parked in the middle of that street blocking traffic (in whole or part makes zero difference here)
She then resisted arrest
Following that, she attempted to flee the scene, a felony
In fleeing, she endangered several law enforcement officers and struck one of them with her vehicle--another more serious felony.

Good brought that shit storm on herself. Nobody else made her do any of that. If she had obeyed the ICE officers and gotten out of the vehicle. She would still be alive. But she chose felony flight turning her vehicle--intentionally or not--into a potentially deadly weapon.

All that said, yes, you are a loon.
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Fleeing the scene of a misdemeanor is another misdemeanor. Anyway, all of this begs the question, which is: was lethal force in that circumstance lawful? Let's have a jury decide. An argument for the Estate may be that, having shot her twice already, it likely wasn't necessary to put a third bullet in her, this final one through the temple, in order to stop her from driving the car. There are also the threshold questions of whether it's ever reasonable to shoot someone fleeing the scene of a misdemeanor and whether it's ever reasonable to shoot the driver of a car who is carrying a passenger.
 
martin said:
And the actual loons, with Earl leading their way, remain the actual loons.
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That was ugly, Marty. Say sorry.

I have yet to see even one far left loon explain why they give the benefit of the doubt to illegals and those who support them (illegally) instead of our brave LE officers, doing the job authorized by Congress.

Is your support for illegals and sanctuary cities based on what is best for the security of the American people or the benefit of the Democratic/Socialist/Communist Party?

What say you, Marty?

The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), specifically 8 U.S.C. 1324

What Is Illegal?
The law strictly criminalizes actions that actively subvert immigration enforcement. You can face severe federal felony charges, including fines and years in prison.
 
Earl said:
That was ugly, Marty. Say sorry.

I have yet to see even one far left loon explain why they give the benefit of the doubt to illegals and those who support them (illegally) instead of our brave LE officers, doing the job authorized by Congress.

Is your support for illegals and sanctuary cities based on what is best for the security of the American people or the benefit of the Democratic/Socialist/Communist Party?

What say you, Marty?

The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), specifically 8 U.S.C. 1324

What Is Illegal?
The law strictly criminalizes actions that actively subvert immigration enforcement. You can face severe federal felony charges, including fines and years in prison.
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My only support for undocumented immigrants is the "support" we traditionally gave them in allowing them to live here peacefully and productively, encouraging them to obtain citizenship in the traditional American way. Try to be an American, Earl.
 
martin said:
My only support for undocumented immigrants is the "support" we traditionally gave them in allowing them to live here peacefully and productively, encouraging them to obtain citizenship in the traditional American way. Try to be an American, Earl.
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Illegals living here peacefully is illegal, Marty. One must have proper documentation to live in our country, Marty.

Why do you support illegality?
 
martin said:
Fleeing the scene of a misdemeanor is another misdemeanor. Anyway, all of this begs the question, which is: was lethal force in that circumstance lawful? Let's have a jury decide. An argument for the Estate may be that, having shot her twice already, it likely wasn't necessary to put a third bullet in her, this final one through the temple, in order to stop her from driving the car. There are also the threshold questions of whether it's ever reasonable to shoot someone fleeing the scene of a misdemeanor and whether it's ever reasonable to shoot the driver of a car who is carrying a passenger.
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Striking that officer, intentionally or not, turned it into a felony. Had she not been shot and drove away, that's felony hit and run (leaving the scene of an accident). On top of that, she was fleeing arrest. That too turns it into a felony.
 
Household Welfare Use: According to data from the Center for Immigration Studies, approximately 59% to 61% of households headed by illegal immigrants use at least one major welfare or means-tested program (compared to 37% for U.S.-born households).

None of these far left loons (if you vote for a Democratic/Socialist/Communist for any political office, you are a far left loon) can explain why they are supporting illegals who violate our immigration laws, to come here and to remain in our country.

Not one.
 
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martin said:
My only support for undocumented immigrants is the "support" we traditionally gave them in allowing them to live here peacefully and productively, encouraging them to obtain citizenship in the traditional American way. Try to be an American, Earl.
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We "traditionally" have deported illegals. Obama did - you didn't mind it. But Trump shut down the child sex slave markets - and democrats aren't going to stand for that.
 
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