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Guess what @christiefan915's beloved state is proposing.
A proposed rewrite of 28 Pa. Code Chapter 27, communicable and noncommunicable diseases, published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin proposes a swap of sexed words for generic ones.
The existing phrase “pregnant woman or mother of a newborn” would become “a pregnant or postpartum individual.”
In the syphilis-testing rules for live births and stillbirths, “mother” / “mother of newborn” becomes “postpartum individual.”
Of course, there's absolutely no danger of @christiefan915 being impacted by either of those changes.
Elsewhere in the same 500-page package, @christiefan915's beloved state also proposes to expand Department of Health “disease control” authority (entry into homes/schools, broader “condition” language, etc.) if the rule is finalized.
The language of the proposed rule would empower authorities to issue a finding that a household animal is part of a control measure, written under a loose “condition” and entry clause.
Under the right conditions it is a real possibility — not the default reading of the draft, and not something the text orders, but not something the text shuts off either.
Those conditions would be: an official disease or “condition” finding, a memo putting an animal inside the control measure, an emergency or outbreak frame used to justify acting first, and no court order in time. That stack is enough to attempt removal or destruction. After the animal is killed, no appeal would reverse it.
A proposed rewrite of 28 Pa. Code Chapter 27, communicable and noncommunicable diseases, published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin proposes a swap of sexed words for generic ones.
The existing phrase “pregnant woman or mother of a newborn” would become “a pregnant or postpartum individual.”
In the syphilis-testing rules for live births and stillbirths, “mother” / “mother of newborn” becomes “postpartum individual.”
Of course, there's absolutely no danger of @christiefan915 being impacted by either of those changes.
Elsewhere in the same 500-page package, @christiefan915's beloved state also proposes to expand Department of Health “disease control” authority (entry into homes/schools, broader “condition” language, etc.) if the rule is finalized.
The language of the proposed rule would empower authorities to issue a finding that a household animal is part of a control measure, written under a loose “condition” and entry clause.
Under the right conditions it is a real possibility — not the default reading of the draft, and not something the text orders, but not something the text shuts off either.
Those conditions would be: an official disease or “condition” finding, a memo putting an animal inside the control measure, an emergency or outbreak frame used to justify acting first, and no court order in time. That stack is enough to attempt removal or destruction. After the animal is killed, no appeal would reverse it.
Pennsylvania Bulletin
Information included at this site has been derived directly from the Pennsylvania Code, the Commonwealth's official publication of rules and regulations and from the Pennsylvania Bulletin, the Commonwealth's official gazette for information and rulemaking
www.pacodeandbulletin.gov
This should not stand.
Apparently it's going to.
I'm putting you on staff to research and report on everything that goes on in the PA legislature.Guess what @christiefan915's beloved state is proposing.
A proposed rewrite of 28 Pa. Code Chapter 27, communicable and noncommunicable diseases, published in the Pennsylvania Bulletin proposes a swap of sexed words for generic ones.
The existing phrase “pregnant woman or mother of a newborn” would become “a pregnant or postpartum individual.”
In the syphilis-testing rules for live births and stillbirths, “mother” / “mother of newborn” becomes “postpartum individual.”
Of course, there's absolutely no danger of @christiefan915 being impacted by either of those changes.
Elsewhere in the same 500-page package, @christiefan915's beloved state also proposes to expand Department of Health “disease control” authority (entry into homes/schools, broader “condition” language, etc.) if the rule is finalized.
The language of the proposed rule would empower authorities to issue a finding that a household animal is part of a control measure, written under a loose “condition” and entry clause.
Under the right conditions it is a real possibility — not the default reading of the draft, and not something the text orders, but not something the text shuts off either.
Those conditions would be: an official disease or “condition” finding, a memo putting an animal inside the control measure, an emergency or outbreak frame used to justify acting first, and no court order in time. That stack is enough to attempt removal or destruction. After the animal is killed, no appeal would reverse it.
Pennsylvania Bulletin
Information included at this site has been derived directly from the Pennsylvania Code, the Commonwealth's official publication of rules and regulations and from the Pennsylvania Bulletin, the Commonwealth's official gazette for information and rulemakingwww.pacodeandbulletin.gov
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Dear Greg Price,
It should be obvious to you that the infant who died from measles was exposed to someone who wasn't vaxxed. PA no longer has herd immunity because of anti-vaxxers, so we can look forward to more cases and possible deaths because of this. Is that what you want for other people's children, if not your own?
What is the earliest age at which an infant can be vaccinated against measles in Pennsylvania?
6 months of age is the earliest an infant can receive the measles-containing MMR vaccine in Pennsylvania. The vaccine is not licensed for use before 6 months.
This early (“dose zero”) dose is recommended only in specific situations: during a measles outbreak in the area where the infant lives or will visit, or before international travel. It is considered supplementary and does not count toward the routine two-dose series. Infants who receive it at 6–11 months still need the standard first dose at 12–15 months and the second dose at 4–6 years (a total of three doses).
Routine schedule (no outbreak or travel)
The first dose is recommended at 12–15 months of age, with the second dose at 4–6 years. Pennsylvania school and childcare requirements follow this schedule (first dose at 12 months or older)
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Christiecrite’s post treats the Lancaster County infant as a straightforward “died from measles because of anti-vaxxers” case. The public record is more precise than that.
What actually happened to the infant
The baby died shortly after birth from a traumatic laceration/rupture of the spleen with massive hemorrhage. The Lancaster County coroner (Dr. Stephen Diamantoni) and the forensic pathologist (Dr. Wayne Ross) have said measles was not the cause of death and they saw no spleen enlargement that would typically accompany a measles-related rupture. The state Department of Health still labels it “measles-associated” That is a reporting category, not the same thing as “died of measles.”
The infant could not have been vaccinated. MMR is not licensed before 6 months; the routine first dose is 12–15 months. A 6-month “dose zero” is only used in outbreak or travel settings and does not count toward the primary series. A newborn has no option to be vaccinated.
Herd immunity claim
Lancaster County kindergarten MMR coverage for 2025–26 is 87.6%. Seventh-grade coverage in the county is 83.3%. Calling every unvaccinated person an “anti-vaxxer” flattens religious, philosophical, and access reasons into one label.
The exposure point
Yes: the infant was exposed because the mother was unvaccinated and infected during pregnancy. Congenital measles is uncommon but documented; it can occur when a susceptible woman has measles near delivery. Maternal vaccination is what prevents that specific pathway. Blaming “someone who wasn’t vaxxed” is therefore directionally correct for the mother, not for the infant, who had no vaccine available.
Greg Price’s point still stands: many outlets wrote that two unvaccinated people “died of measles,” Shapiro framed the deaths as the first in 35 years and tied them to RFK Jr., and the coroner’s office has not signed off on measles as the cause for the infant. “Measles-associated” and “died of measles” are not interchangeable.
What actually happened to the infant
The baby died shortly after birth from a traumatic laceration/rupture of the spleen with massive hemorrhage. The Lancaster County coroner (Dr. Stephen Diamantoni) and the forensic pathologist (Dr. Wayne Ross) have said measles was not the cause of death and they saw no spleen enlargement that would typically accompany a measles-related rupture. The state Department of Health still labels it “measles-associated” That is a reporting category, not the same thing as “died of measles.”
The infant could not have been vaccinated. MMR is not licensed before 6 months; the routine first dose is 12–15 months. A 6-month “dose zero” is only used in outbreak or travel settings and does not count toward the primary series. A newborn has no option to be vaccinated.
Herd immunity claim
Lancaster County kindergarten MMR coverage for 2025–26 is 87.6%. Seventh-grade coverage in the county is 83.3%. Calling every unvaccinated person an “anti-vaxxer” flattens religious, philosophical, and access reasons into one label.
The exposure point
Yes: the infant was exposed because the mother was unvaccinated and infected during pregnancy. Congenital measles is uncommon but documented; it can occur when a susceptible woman has measles near delivery. Maternal vaccination is what prevents that specific pathway. Blaming “someone who wasn’t vaxxed” is therefore directionally correct for the mother, not for the infant, who had no vaccine available.
Greg Price’s point still stands: many outlets wrote that two unvaccinated people “died of measles,” Shapiro framed the deaths as the first in 35 years and tied them to RFK Jr., and the coroner’s office has not signed off on measles as the cause for the infant. “Measles-associated” and “died of measles” are not interchangeable.
What is the earliest age at which an infant can be vaccinated against measles in Pennsylvania?
6 months of age is the earliest an infant can receive the measles-containing MMR vaccine in Pennsylvania. The vaccine is not licensed for use before 6 months.
This early (“dose zero”) dose is recommended only in specific situations: during a measles outbreak in the area where the infant lives or will visit, or before international travel. It is considered supplementary and does not count toward the routine two-dose series. Infants who receive it at 6–11 months still need the standard first dose at 12–15 months and the second dose at 4–6 years (a total of three doses).
Routine schedule (no outbreak or travel)
The first dose is recommended at 12–15 months of age, with the second dose at 4–6 years. Pennsylvania school and childcare requirements follow this schedule (first dose at 12 months or older)
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That's not the point. It's not about the age when the baby can get the vax. It's about another unvaxxed kid who was contagious and spread it to the baby. When the whole story comes out I bet we'll learn that there are other kids in the household who aren't vaxxed, and infected the baby.Edit: Apparently it was the mother, not another kid in the house.
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Herd immunity is 95%. Too many people are going unvaxxed.
Are you insane? Nobody blamed the baby for getting measles. We're blaming those who refuse to get a common vaccine, then contract the disease and spread it to others.
Nobody in this day and age should be getting a disease that was declared eliminated in the US back in 2000. Look at the cause of measles, and note that it's spread by person to person contact.
What Causes Measles?
Measles is caused by the measles virus. It is highly contagious and spreads easily from person to person. Risk factors for contracting measles include:
- Children too young to get a measles vaccine
- People who never had a measles vaccine
- People who did not get a second measles vaccine
- People who got a vaccine shot that did not work well
- Travel to countries where the measles vaccine is not common, or being around people from these countries
- Places where the vaccine might be easy to get, but a lot of people choose not to get the vaccine
- Certain parts of the United States have had an increase in measles cases due to vaccine refusal
- https://www.emedicinehealth.com/where_did_the_measles_come_from/article_em.htm
Of course you do.
You don't get to make those decisions. Are you aware that there are valid religious and/or personal reasons for refusing such things?
The dead baby was not killed by measles, AFAIK, and dead babies don't bother a feminista.
Spare me your faux poutrage.
This is like rehashing the anti-vaxxer argument that nobody died from Covid.
I'm going to spare myself from your lies and bogus comments about what I believe, because you haven't gotten it right yet.