APP - A very serious question regarding deaths made in our name.

ModernDiogenes

ModernDiogenes

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There were unwarranted deaths ordered in our name during this administration.

In the last 18 months between 9-11 deaths of people, some of them U.S. citizens, during federal agents conducting undocumented immigrants enforcement.

During “Operation Southern Spear” as many as 238 deaths on the Caribbean seas. People who were blown to bits for being suspected of a crime. Not to the level of probable cause, just suspicion. For a crime that if committed doesn’t carry a death penalty.

There are literally people dead, people convicted of no crimes, without even probable cause of committing crimes and certainly not crimes that carry death sentences, that wouldn’t be dead if Trump weren’t President.

Should we not be considering that with the opportunity to put a firewall between Trump and the power to order deaths made in our name?

A legitimate question I think given the circumstances.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
There were unwarranted deaths ordered in our name during this administration.

In the last 18 months between 9-11 deaths of people, some of them U.S. citizens, during federal agents conducting undocumented immigrants enforcement.
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Panicked over the midterms are you?

You figure mindless demagoguery will rescue your party?

ModernDiogenes said:
During “Operation Southern Spear” as many as 238 deaths on the Caribbean seas. People who were blown to bits for being suspected of a crime. Not to the level of probable cause, just suspicion. For a crime that if committed doesn’t carry a death penalty.
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So much for your claim of being a former cop.
 
Into the thrid day and no one but one not addressing the issue responds?

No one gives a fudge that two hundred are dead at our hands and there was no due process, little apparent for just causality for it have takem place and no evidence presented by our government to us that backs the need of it up.

So where are the nation that goes around killing people now and when asked why the answer is, "Because."?
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Panicked over the midterms are you?
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Not particularly. We will do what we are going to do. I hope its smart, but if it continues to be dumb I have done what I can to insulate myself from the results.

Uncensored2008 said:
You figure mindless demagoguery will rescue your party?
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Not my party, but that doesn't seem to prevent you from saying different... over, and over, and over...

Uncensored2008 said:
So much for your claim of being a former cop.
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Nonsense. When I have discharged a weapon and someone dies, and I have, I am required to have a reason that will stand up to ridged overview, and it did. The President is no greater than I in that regard. He's a public servant too. Where is the ridgid overview of his using deadly force?
 
ModernDiogenes said:
Not particularly. We will do what we are going to do. I hope its smart, but if it continues to be dumb I have done what I can to insulate myself from the results.
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You mean you hope the Communists take control. But Communism isn't "smart" and America isn't dumb. You hope the results support evil, but you insulate yourself from the decent people in society.

ModernDiogenes said:
Not my party,
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You post to the left of Rachel Maddow, Don Lemon. You attack the Americans in every post, and promote the democrats with equal gusto.

ModernDiogenes said:
but that doesn't seem to prevent you from saying different... over, and over, and over...
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No one believes you are anything but a die-hard Marxist. Not your Comrades on the fringe left - certainly not the Americans.

Why you persist in these silly lies is a mystery.

ModernDiogenes said:
Nonsense. When I have discharged a weapon and someone dies, and I have, I am required to have a reason that will stand up to ridged overview, and it did.
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And?

Look, you took idiocy from the DSA website and posted it here. We get it, they and you support drug cartels and demand that American law be ignored. As with all Marxists, you have bitter contempt for the rule of law and for the Law Enforcement Officers that uphold those laws.

ModernDiogenes said:
The President is no greater than I in that regard. He's a public servant too. Where is the ridgid overview of his using deadly force?
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You are posting absurdity.

First off, no person in this nation, nor on this planet is under greater scrutiny than Donald Trump. You of the left have waged a decade long Pogrom against him. Marxist have engaged in 174 separate bogus investigations against him in the shameful lawfare rape of American Jurisprudence. Either he is the cleanest person to ever live, or you Marxists are incompetent in you attempts to overthrow the rule of law.

Secondly, while you personally support drug cartels, as does the DSA that you are copying your rant from, Tren de Aragua is a designated terrorist group and absolutely subject to deadly interdiction. Just as Al Qaeda was when Obama bombed then on 36 separate occasions.

Because your positions are 100% partisan and not based on principle, you hold Trump to a different standard. Blowing the cartel boats out of the water was unquestionably the right thing to do from both a legal and moral standpoint.

It is ONLY because you place party above country that you attack the safeguarding of our nation.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
There were unwarranted deaths ordered in our name during this administration.
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I'm only aware of warranted deaths in the protection of the US. To what do you refer?

ModernDiogenes said:
In the last 18 months between 9-11 deaths of people, some of them U.S. citizens, during federal agents conducting undocumented immigrants enforcement.
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Are you talking about the Renee Good and Alex Pretti Darwin Awards for getting themselves killed via "suicide by cop"?

ModernDiogenes said:
During “Operation Southern Spear” as many as 238 deaths on the Caribbean seas. People who were blown to bits for being suspected of a crime.
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The US Navy is expected to conduct warfare on the open seas against armed warships threatening the US. All still warranted.

ModernDiogenes said:
that wouldn’t be dead if Trump weren’t President.
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The Navy operates regardless of who is President.

ModernDiogenes said:
Should we not be considering that with the opportunity to put a firewall between Trump and the power to order deaths made in our name?
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The President should remain the Commander in Chief.
 
IBDaMann said:
Are you talking about the Renee Good and Alex Pretti Darwin Awards for getting themselves killed via "suicide by cop"?
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You see I did law enforcement for a living and in rough places. I’ve had to defend myself or others and actors doing bad things, things potentially deadly to myself or others, and they died at my hand. Yet I had occasion to run into people obstructing the law and doing foolish things, things that I knew weren’t deadly even if to others it might look that way, and they didn’t get shot or beaten. They didn’t die. I stopped them without doing any of that.



IBDaMann said:
The US Navy is expected to conduct warfare on the open seas against armed warships threatening the US. All still warranted.


The Navy operates regardless of who is President.


The President should remain the Commander in Chief.
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IBDaMann said:
I'm only aware of warranted deaths in the protection of the US. To what do you refer?


Are you talking about the Renee Good and Alex Pretti Darwin Awards for getting themselves killed via "suicide by cop"?


The US Navy is expected to conduct warfare on the open seas against armed warships threatening the US. All still warranted.


The Navy operates regardless of who is President.


The President should remain the Commander in Chief.
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Show me one video where those boats occupants were shooting at the craft that blew them out of the water.

That wasn’t warfare. It was murder in violation of our own and international law and you’re damn skippy, the President is Commander and Chief and he’s ultimately responsible for it.
 
ModernDiogenes said:
You see I did law enforcement for a living and in rough places. I’ve had to defend myself or others and actors doing bad things, things potentially deadly to myself or others, and they died at my hand. Yet I had occasion to run into people obstructing the law and doing foolish things, things that I knew weren’t deadly even if to others it might look that way, and they didn’t get shot or beaten. They didn’t die. I stopped them without doing any of that.
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Well done. I'm guessing that you never suffered internal bleeding from being run over by one of those scofflaws trying to flee arrest.

ModernDiogenes said:
Show me one video where those boats occupants were shooting at the craft that blew them out of the water.
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Why? Let's say I'm at war with Diogenestan, and my navy encounters Diogenestanian warships on the high seas. My navy orders "SURRENDER! LOWER YOUR SHIELDS AND PREPARE TO BE BOARDED!" ... but the enemy warships attempt to speed off. When my navy blows them out of the water, and their King Diogenes the Modern starts to whine like a fuqking baby, I just tell him to sit on this and spin the fuqk around.

What's your question again?

ModernDiogenes said:
That wasn’t warfare.
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What part of the "blowing them out of the water" didn't you quite fully grasp?

ModernDiogenes said:
It was murder
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Nope. It's never murder when military kill enemies in a war zone.

ModernDiogenes said:
in violation of our own and international law
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Too funny! The navy is military, not law enforcement. Do you need me to explain the difference to you?

ModernDiogenes said:
the President is Commander and Chief and he’s ultimately responsible for it.
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Of course, you think Trump is responsible for everything that happens in this quadrant of the galaxy, but that all changes the moment you should praise him and give him credit for his insanely long list of accomplishments, then he didn't have anything to do with it, because you and your leftist ilk fought tooth and nail to legally prevent him from achieving those accomplishments.

Let me know what about the navy or warfare you need me to explain to you. Don't be shy. I already see that you need some fundamental primers so we can build on those.
 
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