Trump was elected by right-wing white people .. and that's the good news.

Thing1 said:
Oh, shut up, Darth. Enough talking like you now have some side of inside scoop on the electorate, and that Democrats have to "learn" something.

The Democrats won the popular vote .
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the Democrats won the popular vote but the Republican is president.....the same thing happened in 2000......but you don't think you have to learn anything.......works for me.....
 
blackascoal said:
:0) Exactly how does one 'get their way' on a message board .. a message board full of right-wing racists? That's stupid.

You're right about one thing .. EIGHT YEARS. TWICE ELECTED. GOING OUT OF OFFICE WITH AN APPROVAL RATING HIGHER THAN REAGAN.

Democrats 'decimated' .. more Americans voted for Clinton then Trump.

The ensuing whitelash should have been expected .. but almost no one believed that right-wing whites could possibly be desperate enough to elect a Donald Trump .

But all is good. Now, there are NO impediments to attacking republicans on stage. Attack Trump, his wife, his family, his kids .. all made possible by republicans themselves.

The economy better not falter, jobs better be rushing back as Trump claims. Go ahead and try every knucklehead talk-radio proposal Trump can dream up.

Should be fun.
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Republicans control Congress, 33 Governorships and I believe a majority of state legislatures. Not all that bad of a position to be in. Yes, Republicans face national challenges going forward but at the moment the party isn't exactly on its death knell.
 
cawacko said:
Republicans control Congress, 33 Governorships and I believe a majority of state legislatures. Not all that bad of a position to be in. Yes, Republicans face national challenges going forward but at the moment the party isn't exactly on its death knell.
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I think that liberals know the rules of the game. Electoral college governorships positions of power etc but have been so outplayed by republicans that they are refusing to play it now.

You know after elizabeth warren im struggling to name any other democrat who is a national figure who is not too old to run in 2020.

GOP still has zodiac killer, pancake man, turtle man, water boy, and a couple of others well known enough to give it a go.
 
blackascoal said:
They elected him .. they own him .. and when he breaks, so will they.

His administration will be a disaster, as will his policies .. and if Trump is 1/10th the disaster that the entire world knows that he will be, his disaster will be the disaster of the same right-wing whites who voted his ignorance into office.

He has no mandate .. wasn't even elected by the majority of Americans who voted.

This is an opportunity .. and the Left should resist, resist, and resist every chance they get.

Highlight and illuminate every misstep and failure to great lengths. His every action will be closely watched and critiqued .. and when he fails, economy falters, jobs not coming back as he claimed, point to the morons who elected him.

Treat Trump like the right treated Obama.

The question will be .. how are these idiots supposed to be 'superior' when they elected a clown for president.

We are indeed at war.
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and there will be no ability to blame their fail on others
 
blackascoal said:
Can you read? Is comprehension the problem?

"right-wing white people" is not the same as white people. Do you require some tutoring to figure that out?

It's a Dem meme that Trump is the champion of white nationalism?

It's going to be real interesting watching Trump supporters like you running from your own shadow.
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Calm it down when you talk to me please -I make a great effort to read your posts and digest them because I respect your ideas.
I appreciate the distinction you make - i am speaking to a larger point about Democrats.

I mentioned "it's a Democratic meme"and it is/ look how Clinton campaigned. ( i'll spell it out if need be)
But it goes back to identity politics. I have never voted for a Republican POTUS in my life before
and a shitload of working whites who voted for Obama in '08/12 also voted for Trump. It wasn't racism/sexism
or any other "deplorables"reasons
Clinton offered nothing except her scandal driven warmongering self. forget her.
We working white wanted "change" because the economy has bypassed us for the benefit of the global elites.

As to Bannon- i don't know much about him. The liberal press is trying to tie every article on Brietbart to him;
FOX is trying to say he's alt-right without the racism. I don't know.
I recall Holder being a racist piece of crap - the most divisive AG / cabinet member I've ever had to endure.
Lynch was a vast improvement, even though she was corrupted by Bill Clinton.

The point is Trump is not a racist/mysogynist . It's too easy to marginalize his voters that way if one doesn't "get" him.
He started off with some shitty language about "Mexican rapists"and has been walking it back since -he means criminal illegals.

So I am going to avoid the LW hysteria,and the alt-right claimnig him as his own and SEE WHAT HE DOES.
in the end that's all that mattrs.
 
anatta said:
Calm it down when you talk to me please -I make a great effort to read your posts and digest them because I respect your ideas.
I appreciate the distinction you make - i am speaking to a larger point about Democrats.

I mentioned "it's a Democratic meme"and it is/ look how Clinton campaigned. ( i'll spell it out if need be)
But it goes back to identity politics. I have never voted for a Republican POTUS in my life before
and a shitload of working whites who voted for Obama in '08/12 also voted for Trump. It wasn't racism/sexism
or any other "deplorables"reasons
Clinton offered nothing except her scandal driven warmongering self. forget her.
We working white wanted "change" because the economy has bypassed us for the benefit of the global elites.

As to Bannon- i don't know much about him. The liberal press is trying to tie every article on Brietbart to him;
FOX is trying to say he's alt-right without the racism. I don't know.
I recall Holder being a racist piece of crap - the most divisive AG / cabinet member I've ever had to endure.
Lynch was a vast improvement, even though she was corrupted by Bill Clinton.

The point is Trump is not a racist/mysogynist . It's too easy to marginalize his voters that way if one doesn't "get" him.
He started off with some shitty language about "Mexican rapists"and has been walking it back since -he means criminal illegals.

So I am going to avoid the LW hysteria,and the alt-right claimnig him as his own and SEE WHAT HE DOES.
in the end that's all that mattrs.
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you are one evil racist fuck
 
evince said:
and there will be no ability to blame their fail on others
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EXACTLY

Consider this good sister .. the Trumpies were never going to go quietly into the night. With Clinton elected, their bitching and moaning with have been incessant .. 24/7. They would be making all kinds of dumb claims about how their policies would be much better .. how Clinton is this, and democrats are that.

Now, they are on stage and MUST deliver more jobs, a better economy than Obama, and all the rest of the mindless claims of Trumpism .. and we get to attack them all with impunity. They've lowered the standard so low that nothing is out of bounds.

No better way to demonstrate the ignorance of their thought than by letting them do it themselves.
 
cawacko said:
Republicans control Congress, 33 Governorships and I believe a majority of state legislatures. Not all that bad of a position to be in. Yes, Republicans face national challenges going forward but at the moment the party isn't exactly on its death knell.
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Which is why the process this nation is going through right now is absolutely necessary good brother .. regardless of any pain involved.
 
blackascoal said:
:0) Exactly how does one 'get their way' on a message board .. a message board full of right-wing racists? That's stupid.

You're right about one thing .. EIGHT YEARS. TWICE ELECTED. GOING OUT OF OFFICE WITH AN APPROVAL RATING HIGHER THAN REAGAN.
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Yes because we have seen how accurate the DNC controlled medias polling data us haven't we?

more Americans voted for Clinton then Trump.
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California and NY are not America, the majority of people in the majority of states voted Trump.
 
The Only Sarge said:
A parliamentary system? In other words is your question about a "Head of State" not elected by popular vote? Oh hell there is a bunch of them friend.
Canada, Turkey, Austria, Germany, Italy, Israel, Australia, United Kingdom, Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, and India. Many of these countries have a President (e.g. Ireland, Germany, and Israel) but that person is a mere figurehead head of state like the monarch in a constitutional monarchy. Some of the parliamentary systems do elect a president by popular vote but others have the parliament elect the president.
There are currently four major hybrid countries (where it is unclear who is more powerful the President or the Prime Minister) -- Lebanon, France, Russia, and Pakistan. In two of the four (France and Russia), the President is elected through popular vote. In Pakistan, the President is elected by an electoral college composed of the national parliament and the provincial assemblies. In Lebanon, the President is elected by Parliament.
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I prefer our first past the post federal system. Both forms of democracy have their advantages and disadvantages. One of the advantages of a proportional parliamentary systems is that minority political groups receive greater representation. The down side of that is that means extremist political groups like the Nazi's, KKK, Communist, Likud get a place at the table and if one of those groups, and I'll use the historical example of how a minor political party, the Nazi's, in Weimar Germany was able to use the flaws of a proportional parliamentary system to consolidate power without even having either a majority or a plurality of constituents. The result of that, as we all know, wasn't pretty.

Considering that I'll take my chances with our nations Federalist First Past the Post electoral system. Warts and all.
 
blackascoal said:
Respectfully brother, Trump's win defies all logic and common sense. It's more a demonstration of the desperation of right-wing whites then a failure of the DNC .. although I don't hold them blameless.

Trump and right-wing white Americans are on stage .. and the whole world will be watching. That may indeed be a better outcome from this election then Hillary winning and listening to those same right-wingers whining on and on about all they see wrong with her.

At the end of the day, right-wing politics wiull be exposed for the ignorance that it truly is .. and America will still move forward.
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I concur cuz. The ball is in their court. Let them now go and show that they can govern not just for a faction but for all of us. If they can and do, hats off to them but for right now it's a Missouri mule. Show me.
 
blackascoal said:
You can form any opinion of him that you choose to. I have no problem with that.

But the entire world already knows what he is. He doesn't deny what he is .. even when you do.

It's going to be real interesting watching republicans running from their own shadows.
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Interesting? Naaa...not so much...but the comedy of it has made my ribs hurt from laughing to hard. :)

But I"m at a disillusioned stage right now. Both parties are making dramatic shifts in their coalitions and I'm not sure which one, if either, best represents my interests and values.
 
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