My ode to Islamophobia

Thing1 said:
The KKK hijacked Christianity for their own warped agenda, much as groups like ISIS do w/ Islam.
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Totally false. The KKK was a creation of socialist democrats to kill and intimidate republicans. No where did Christ teach that republicans, Catholics and Jews should be lynched. IIRC, more than half of the KKKs victims were Not even Black.

Where as ISIS gets it's laws and principles from the Koran and Haddiths. ISIS is Islam. :palm:
 
evince said:
why a cross you stupid fucking stormfront assdrip
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Majority of American Blacks were/are Christian, and so are Catholics ... so why a cross, Racist bigoted socialist pig?
 
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Thing1 said:
Says who? You?

Why is salafist Islam the arbiter? Some consider that to be anti-Islam.
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feel free to refute anything..the KKK is a white supremacy organization, it uses trappings of religion for legitimacy
ISIS and salafist Islam are parts and parcel of Islam..they cannot exist separately from Islam
 
anatta said:
feel free to refute anything..the KKK is a white supremacy organization, it uses trappings of religion for legitimacy
ISIS and salafist Islam are parts and parcel of Islam..they cannot exist separately from Islam
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There isn't any difference.

I could say that the KKK burns crosses, the symbol of Christ's crucifixion, and thus are "part and parcel" of Christianity. It would be silly to do so - but I could do it w/ just as much conviction as you're attempt to tie a terrorist organization with the religion they affiliate w/.
 
Thing1 said:
There isn't any difference.

I could say that the KKK burns crosses, the symbol of Christ's crucifixion, and thus are "part and parcel" of Christianity. It would be silly to do so - but I could do it w/ just as much conviction as you're attempt to tie a terrorist organization with the religion they affiliate w/.
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He's saying the KKK can't point to a verse in the Bible to justify their actions, while islamic terrorists can point to many verses in the quran to justify theirs.
 
GazzaQueen said:
He's saying the KKK can't point to a verse in the Bible to justify their actions, while islamic terrorists can point to many verses in the quran to justify theirs.
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I'd disagree w/ that. The OT has a lot of justifications for violence & inequality for anyone who wants to warp & twist what the religion is about. Those who try to tie Islam to violence usually reference the verse about killing infidels, which is very specific to an historic situation & war, and used the same way by extremists.
 
Thing1 said:
I'd disagree w/ that. The OT has a lot of justifications for violence & inequality for anyone who wants to warp & twist what the religion is about. Those who try to tie Islam to violence usually reference the verse about killing infidels, which is very specific to an historic situation & war, and used the same way by extremists.
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Can you please cite an OT verse that justifies hanging innocents?
 
Thing1 said:
I can't, because anyone who uses those verses to justify those actions is wrong. Just as anyone who uses the "kill infidels" verse to justify terrorism is wrong.
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I didn't think you could, but here are many verses to justify killing in the quran. To which one are you referring?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

I don't really care, as it's a minor point to the larger argument that there is no choice but to exterminate islamic terror.
 
Thing1 said:
There isn't any difference.

I could say that the KKK burns crosses, the symbol of Christ's crucifixion, and thus are "part and parcel" of Christianity. It would be silly to do so - but I could do it w/ just as much conviction as you're attempt to tie a terrorist organization with the religion they affiliate w/.
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ISIS doesn't "affiliate" with Islam.It's an out growth. It's part of militant salifism, what we call jihadi..

Th KKK can exist without the crosses..it's root is white supremacy, the crosses are used to give it legitimacy
but if it dion't have the crosses, it could still be a white supremacy group .

ISIS cannot exist outside of Islam -it's structure and 'legitimacy' comes from salafist interpretation of Islam
 
anatta said:
ISIS doesn't "affiliate" with Islam.It's an out growth. It's part of militant salifism, what we call jihadi..

Th KKK can exist without the crosses..it's root is white supremacy, the crosses are used to give it legitimacy
but if it dion't have the crosses, it could still be a white supremacy group .

ISIS cannot exist outside of Islam -it's structure and 'legitimacy' comes from salafist interpretation of Islam
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You keep saying the same thing. Again, I could easily say that the KKK wouldn't be the KKK without the crosses. Those are integral to their meetings and certainly to the terror they perpetrated in the 20th century.

For the life of me, I don't know why you guys insist on making this a battle with Islam in general. This is what terrorists would prefer that we do. They want it to be Islam against the West.

You always seem more than eager to comply.
 
Thing1 said:
You keep saying the same thing. Again, I could easily say that the KKK wouldn't be the KKK without the crosses. Those are integral to their meetings and certainly to the terror they perpetrated in the 20th century.

For the life of me, I don't know why you guys insist on making this a battle with Islam in general. This is what terrorists would prefer that we do. They want it to be Islam against the West.

You always seem more than eager to comply.
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I keep saying the same thing in different ways to the objections you bring up.

Either you understand ISIS is a direct outgrowth of salafi jihad or you don't.
Either you understand the KKK isn't a direct outgrowth of Xtianity, or you don't.

The fact they wrap themselves in Xtian symbolism doesn't change their core reason for existence is not religion
but white supremacy.

Noone is saying this is a battle with Islam as a whole, but it is a battle with that sect of Sunni Islam
 
anatta said:
ISIS doesn't "affiliate" with Islam.It's an out growth. It's part of militant salifism, what we call jihadi..

Th KKK can exist without the crosses..it's root is white supremacy, the crosses are used to give it legitimacy
but if it dion't have the crosses, it could still be a white supremacy group .

ISIS cannot exist outside of Islam -it's structure and 'legitimacy' comes from salafist interpretation of Islam
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He makes it sound like they are some kind of union that pays affiliates fees each year.

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Milagro said:
He makes it sound like they are some kind of union that pays affiliates fees each year.

Sent from my iPhone 25 GT Turbo
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don't get him confused with 'AQ affiliates" or ISIS branches worldwide..or he'd never figure anything out
 
anatta said:
I keep saying the same thing in different ways to the objections you bring up.

Either you understand ISIS is a direct outgrowth of salafi jihad or you don't.
Either you understand the KKK isn't a direct outgrowth of Xtianity, or you don't.

The fact they wrap themselves in Xtian symbolism doesn't change their core reason for existence is not religion
but white supremacy.

Noone is saying this is a battle with Islam as a whole, but it is a battle with that sect of Sunni Islam
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Who are you to say what their core reason is? Those on the outside say they're just perverting the religion for a political agenda.

Again, you seem determined to believe what you want to believe about it. You can say that the reason for their existence is Islam all day - but they're really lunatics who are using the religion as a crutch, and nothing more. Ultimately, they're no different from the KKK in that respect, or even the Phelps crowd - who clearly DO use the Bible to justify their warped views.

You get into a very slippery slope w/ this stuff, and to me, it's a perfect example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. What your rhetoric ultimately does is make it safe for those who DO want to make it about Islam to continue to do so.
 
Thing1 said:
Who are you to say what their core reason is? Those on the outside say they're just perverting the religion for a political agenda.

Again, you seem determined to believe what you want to believe about it. You can say that the reason for their existence is Islam all day - but they're really lunatics who are using the religion as a crutch, and nothing more. Ultimately, they're no different from the KKK in that respect, or even the Phelps crowd - who clearly DO use the Bible to justify their warped views.

You get into a very slippery slope w/ this stuff, and to me, it's a perfect example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. What your rhetoric ultimately does is make it safe for those who DO want to make it about Islam to continue to do so.
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Dare I say you have little knowledge of Islamic radicalism lol?
 
Darth Omar said:
Dare I say you have little knowledge of Islamic radicalism lol?
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You thought that there wasn't a coalition for Libya & that Congress couldn't investigate. Forgive me if I don't see you as an expert on Islamic radicalism.

I think that's an issue w/ sites like this in general. Most here know a little about a lot, but not everything about everything, even though they like to pretend that they do. I don't claim to be an expert on Islam or Islamic radicalism, but I know the psychology of extremists in general, and I can work %'s out in my head to draw basic conclusions.
 
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