The credibility of Trump's accusers

ThatOwlWoman said:
Hmm. So you don't think the women accusing Franken were righteous, or they are? Is Franken guilty as charged? How about Weinstein?
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If they admitted guilt, if someone can prove them guilty within reasonable doubt, by all means.
If we are to believe accusers, why was Clinton in office? We need to strip him of his title after the fact. No?
Why are Hillary C. and Gillibrand suddenly a champion for the accusers, but were standing behind the man at the time?
Who elected saints? Anyone? Women all over are still drooling over womanizer and adulterer JFK. Why is that?
So please tell me, who can throw the first stone? Can't we just admit that this is partisan gotcha, cleverly instigated at that?
As an aside, and please read me clearly, I have only one guy was man enough to man up, at least in part
“I apologize to the people I have mistreated and hurt. Although the identities of most of the individuals mentioned in these stories have not been revealed to me, much of the behavior described does, in fact, match up with ways I have acted. That behavior was wrong and there are no excuses. I take full responsibility and am deeply sorry for any pain, humiliation or discomfort I have caused to my peers, employees, customers, friends and family.

“I have work to do to try to regain the trust of...
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Not a fan, but he came right out and admitted it.
https://work.qz.com/1152875/the-che...arassment-equates-serial-misconduct-with-fun/

To the women who waited for their moment....shame on you.
 
Cypress said:
If Franken has to resign, so does Trump
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For what? For saying they would let him? Tell that to the ones who let him to further their acting careers. If they hadn't been so hungry for success, Weinstein would have been taken down a few notches a long time ago. How far are some people willing to go to further their ambitions?
 
Cypress said:
I am really just expecting at this point, conservatives to defend, provide cover, and rationalize Trump's proclivity for walking in unannounced on half-naked beauty pageant contestants
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Let's not hold our breaths. One of the things conservative dudes admire most about Trump is the parade of attractive wives he's had, and his (to them) macho demeanor about and around women. Don't want to misquote here but one con guy on JPP today said in regards to the beauty pageant ogling something to the effect that they were there to be ogled so what's the BFD. I think it was Nova, but am not sure. To men like this, strong women and feminists and those males who support us are wimpy ball-less or ball-busting most-likely-gay losers. What's really sick is the con women who agree and who see the #MeToo women as petulant whining victims.

I think a good lot of conservative men wish they were Trump or at least had his money so that they too could walk into a beauty pageant dressing room and ogle the undressed young women without being arrested and imprisoned. They wish they could grab and kiss beautiful women not-their-wives, and not get kicked in the nuts. They wish they could grab their crotches with impunity and have the grabee beg for more.

Humans are animals with the same lusts and urges and desires and behaviors. However, most of us try to at least maintain a bit of decorum and civilization. If that's being a 'wimp,' oh well. I'm sticking with the wimps.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Let's not hold our breaths. One of the things conservative dudes admire most about Trump is the parade of attractive wives he's had, and his (to them) macho demeanor about and around women. Don't want to misquote here but one con guy on JPP today said in regards to the beauty pageant ogling something to the effect that they were there to be ogled so what's the BFD. I think it was Nova, but am not sure. To men like this, strong women and feminists and those males who support us are wimpy ball-less or ball-busting most-likely-gay losers. What's really sick is the con women who agree and who see the #MeToo women as petulant whining victims.

I think a good lot of conservative men wish they were Trump or at least had his money so that they too could walk into a beauty pageant dressing room and ogle the undressed young women without being arrested and imprisoned. They wish they could grab and kiss beautiful women not-their-wives, and not get kicked in the nuts. They wish they could grab their crotches with impunity and have the grabee beg for more.

Humans are animals with the same lusts and urges and desires and behaviors. However, most of us try to at least maintain a bit of decorum and civilization. If that's being a 'wimp,' oh well. I'm sticking with the wimps.
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It comes down to what is socially appropriate. I like naked ladies just as much as the next guy. But walking in on women getting dressed, leering at them, forcibly kissing them....obviously way over the line to normal people.... though perhaps not for some conservatives here?
 
Lovebug said:
To the women who waited for their moment....shame on you.
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No, shame on you for pissing on other women of the #MeToo movement.

When I was 18 I worked FT in an office as a clerical person. It was a small mfg company located in a building that is now part of Cardinal Glennon Children's Hospital in St. Louis. The treasurer was a man in his 30s, married with kids, very quiet and shy.... until he went to lunch. He drank. A lot. The two single gals, me and Jan, learned to never go alone into his office after lunch or let him in ours. One day he called me into his office in the morning and asked where I had been over the weekend. Turns out he had driven 30 miles out to my apartment which I shared with my bf from h.s. on Sat. night. I had stayed at my parents' for the weekend. My roommate told me "some guy came around 9pm asking for you and then left." I was fired two days later. Never took a single sick day, nor had any complaints or "counseling" about my job there in almost two years. Jan told me that a divorced woman who lived down the street from Harry the Treasurer started the day after I was canned. They often had lunch together. Imagine that.

I got another job, and had my tits grabbed by my boss -- another jerkoff who drank his lunch -- in front of a customer at a car dealership. I reflexively decked him. He got up and laughed, and the customer left in disgust. I quit.

This was in the early 1970s. There was no recourse for me or any other woman harassed, stalked, molested, grabbed, etc. at work. None.

Shame on YOU for supporting the culture where this kind of shit is okay.
 
Lovebug said:
Heck, I am saying Obama was getting sweet on me when I met him in Chicago. He now says he never met me. See how easy that is?
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Theoretically do you have a picture of Obama standing next you at this meeting? Like the above with Stoyanoff standing next to trump?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Funny how that works, isn't it? I haven't seen our female conservative twits Lovebug or Toxic Top, so far, saying that the women who accused Franken are just trying to seek fame and maybe get a bribe to STFU. No, that's only the ones accusing Moore, Trump, et al.
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/shrugs.....you're the one who's denied Franken the right to a trial, not me......
 
Cypress said:
On balance, from what I have observed liberals hold the moral high ground here. Liberals have put both Democratic men and Republican men on blast when there were credible allegations of sexual harassment.
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when did a denial of a trial by their peers become high moral ground........it used to be called injustice.....
 
Lovebug said:
Heck, I am saying Obama was getting sweet on me when I met him in Chicago. He now says he never met me. See how easy that is?
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Not the sharpest tool in the shed, eh?

That's not the way it works. It is easy to prove when someone make a spurious, unsubstantiated, heat-of-the-moment, and easily debunked claim.

Remember James O'keefe trying to punk the Washington Post and having it blow up in his face?

That's because he - like you - does not realize there are ways to corroborates somebody's claim....to test it for credibility....through corroborating witnesses, documentation, and two dozen other modes of cross checking that professional journalists are familiar with - but you are not.
 
More women that trump claims not to know.

Jill Harth
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Temple Taggart
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Jessica Drake
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PostmodernProphet said:
so you admit that you threw Franken under the bus to get at Trump.......feckless fool.....Franken didn't have to resign......
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Not very bright, are you?

You are too stupid for me to waste time talking too. You have my permission to keep begging me to pay attention to you, but I still generally do not stoop to responding to foul mouthed dunces who run around public internet forums calling women cunts and bitches.
 
christiefan915 said:
More women that trump claims not to know.
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I bet if he took a lie detector test (even if they were accurate) that he would pass. He is so focused on himself that he most likely does *not* remember any of them, their faces, what bits he managed to get his hands on. If you asked him do you remember so-and-so (guy person) and that guy and this guy, same response.... even if you had similar photos of them side by side.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
/shrugs.....you're the one who's denied Franken the right to a trial, not me......
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Really? I haven't said a word about Franken here other than as part of a set of guys being accused. The last I can recall he said he should be investigated, gave a speech where he didn't really say he was going to resign but maybe, and didn't apologize either.

Maybe Franken and Moore (if he wins) can save us taxpayers some money and be investigated by the same committee at the same time.
 
Thing1 said:
I mean, it's gotten to the point where he can say something like that & it's hardly even discussed, even though it is easily shown to be a lie.

For anyone who didn't realize - because it really wasn't covered at all - Trump claimed that today.
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He's a medium-IQ person with an idiot savant thing going on....like $arah Palin. That is the ability to read the audience and then say what the audience wants to hear... and seem (at least to the marks) to really believe in the message. Their worshipers truly do not give a shit if what they say is bullshit.... as long as it's the bullshit they want to smell and believe.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I bet if he took a lie detector test (even if they were accurate) that he would pass. He is so focused on himself that he most likely does *not* remember any of them, their faces, what bits he managed to get his hands on. If you asked him do you remember so-and-so (guy person) and that guy and this guy, same response.... even if you had similar photos of them side by side.
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I agree it's people like him who can scam a lie detector. He is 100% convinced he's always right, never lies, and never doubts himself. And if by some chance he flunked, he's say the results were faked or the machine wasn't working. He always has an excuse for what he does. It's pretty incredible.
 
Thing1 said:
I mean, it's gotten to the point where he can say something like that & it's hardly even discussed, even though it is easily shown to be a lie.

For anyone who didn't realize - because it really wasn't covered at all - Trump claimed that today.
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Yep.... "women who I don't know and/or have never met." What a bold-faced liar he is.
 
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