Dems now begging Al Franken to UNRESIGN

cawacko said:
We can look at the '70's and the Keynesian approach under Nixon, Ford and Carter and see what a failure that was. Reagan, along with Volker, turned that around and outside his first two years in office so did Clinton. Then we go back to Keynesian policies under Obama and we have the weakest economic recovery since WWII.
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You're simply full of it. You don't know what you're talking about. You start out with the conclusion you want ant then cherry pick and twist the facts to try to claim they support it.

Funny, why don't you list JFK and LBJ's economy under the Keynesian list? Fact is, Democrats have better growth than Republicans consistently. All Reagan and later Republican tax cuts for the rich do is lower growth, increase inequality and increase our debt.

Ya, ya, Reagan had some growth (lower than JFK and LBJ, but some).

AT THE EXPENSE OF TRIPLING THE NATIONAL DEBT. Ya, put the stimulus on a credit card you get some growth.
 
Nordberg said:
Tax rates are at 60 year lows. Not high. Corporation profits are at all time highs now. The fact is that money goes into buying back stock and executive bonuses.Corporation taxes are actually about 12 to 18 percent now. They do not pay the top rate.

What creates jobs? Demand. If a company cannot keep up with demand they hire more workers and think about expanding. If they are making a lot of money and are keeping up with demand, they will just keep the money. If you think tax cuts to corporations will make your life better you are dreaming. However elevating the min. wage would increase demand. It would put pressure on companies to hire.
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THANK YOU!!!

If I have said that once, I've said it a thousand times. Companies don't go out and hire new workers and increase production just because they saved some money on their taxes. If there is no increase in demand for their products or services, they would be terrible business people if they took their windfall tax savings and blew it on unnecessary increased production and associated costs.

Just more Republican smoke & mirrors bullshit.
 
Craig234 said:
You're simply full of it. You don't know what you're talking about. You start out with the conclusion you want ant then cherry pick and twist the facts to try to claim they support it.

Funny, why don't you list JFK and LBJ's economy under the Keynesian list? Fact is, Democrats have better growth than Republicans consistently. All Reagan and later Republican tax cuts for the rich do is lower growth, increase inequality and increase our debt.

Ya, ya, Reagan had some growth (lower than JFK and LBJ, but some).

AT THE EXPENSE OF TRIPLING THE NATIONAL DEBT. Ya, put the stimulus on a credit card you get some growth.
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And don't forget that in the 80's under Raygun, most of the jobs that were created were born not out of tax cuts, but out of his huge increases in defense spending.

Once the military spending went back down, a large percentage of those jobs disappeared.
 
Nomad said:
Proof of accusations against a CANDIDATE are not necessary because it's all got to do with what the voters believe. Nobody forced Moore to resign from anything he had been elected to.

In Moore's case, the entire town where he lived was familiar with his antics involving underage teenage girls. It was common knowledge.

Funny how you demand proof of accusations against a child molester, but you were happy to lap up any accusations made against Hillary Clinton regarding her emails.

And what proof is there that you claim exists against Franken? The pic of him PRETENDING to grope Tweeden's breasts? You can see plain as day that he isn't really touching her. I don't excuse what he did, it was stupid. But it falls far short of Moore driving a 14 y/o girl to a dark, secluded spot and trying to force her head into his crotch.

But then again, I guess for "some guys", that might just be a typical evening.
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Do you have proof of your claim of what Moore did? No, you don't. You only want to believe it while making excuses for Franken.
 
Nomad said:
THANK YOU!!!

If I have said that once, I've said it a thousand times. Companies don't go out and hire new workers and increase production just because they saved some money on their taxes. If there is no increase in demand for their products or services, they would be terrible business people if they took their windfall tax savings and blew it on unnecessary increased production and associated costs.

Just more Republican smoke & mirrors bullshit.
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You mean like Liberals telling us that social welfare spending will eradicate poverty and keep people from being poor? That smoke and mirrors bullshit? You idiots on the left are trying to fix a problem with money where the root cause of the problem isn't a lack of money but a lack of willingness to do for yourself. Put people in a situation where they have to do for themselves and many will figure out they need to get off their asses and do what they should have been doing for a long time. Those that don't we won't have to worry about any more. Success either way.
 
Craig234 said:
You're simply full of it. You don't know what you're talking about. You start out with the conclusion you want ant then cherry pick and twist the facts to try to claim they support it.

Funny, why don't you list JFK and LBJ's economy under the Keynesian list? Fact is, Democrats have better growth than Republicans consistently. All Reagan and later Republican tax cuts for the rich do is lower growth, increase inequality and increase our debt.

Ya, ya, Reagan had some growth (lower than JFK and LBJ, but some).

AT THE EXPENSE OF TRIPLING THE NATIONAL DEBT. Ya, put the stimulus on a credit card you get some growth.
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JFK's tax cuts were supply side which unleashed growth. The rest of the '60's was Keynesian though you are correct as LBJ's spending along with the Fed pushed inflation and a weak dollar which we paid for in the '70's. Nixon continued the Keynsian's push "we're all Keynesian's now" with his wage and price controls ultimately giving us stagflation which Keynesianism didn't have an answer for as the Phillips Curve said this wasn't supposed to happen.

As stated along with Volker supply side brought us out of those doldrums and unleashed almost 30 years of boom and growth. Under Obama we went back to Keynesian economics and we saw the results.
 
No he should resign and maintain the Democratic moral superiority on this issue. You can't condemn these backward right wing pigs when you don't subject Dem pigs to the same.

I understand the sentiment though. Unfortunately or fortunately it is the essence of high minded principles that you must live by their onerous standards, which injects unfairness.
It's like being a Christian and supporting Republican policies. There is an especially cold frozen circle in eternity awaiting them. We don't want to be anything like them, saying the one and doing the other.
 
evince said:
his crimes pale in comparison to all the other claims


of course the right will NEVER admitt that
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I certainly agree that we need to distinguish between a photo opp in poor taste and groping an underage woman. But to say all his accusers claims pale in comparison to all other claims is just partisan nonsense from you.
 
Nordberg said:
Tax rates are at 60 year lows. Not high. Corporation profits are at all time highs now. The fact is that money goes into buying back stock and executive bonuses.Corporation taxes are actually about 12 to 18 percent now. They do not pay the top rate.

What creates jobs? Demand. If a company cannot keep up with demand they hire more workers and think about expanding. If they are making a lot of money and are keeping up with demand, they will just keep the money. If you think tax cuts to corporations will make your life better you are dreaming. However elevating the min. wage would increase demand. It would put pressure on companies to hire.
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Actually increasing the minimum wage does the exact opposite, it makes companies lay people off.

Jobs come from new companies. Where do new companies get their capital from?
 
Threedee said:
You and Legion are the only fags on this site that I'm aware of. Unless Rob comes back.
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Seems you need to have your awareness ability re-calibrated. Perhaps your fag buddy cawacko can help you. He (supposedly) is in SF and has plenty of faggots there to give him advice.
 
Threedee said:
What's so special about Franken? As a legislator, he holds the most easily replaceable job in the world, and Minnesota has a Dem governor to ensure another leftist takes his place.
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True...but it opens up a Republican to take over as Lt. Governor. Best if Franken stays. His work for Alabama is done.
 
Nomad said:
I hope he doesn't resign.

The things he's accused of, crude and ungentlemanly as they are, barely merit censure much less forced resignation.

At least he fessed up and admitted he'd misbehaved, unlike Trump and Moore who sleazily lie and deny.

The whole faux outrage over the possibility that Franken might not step down is for nothing else but deflecting attention from Trump's sleaze.
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I think the Foxbots correctly point out that this was done to help Jones in Alabama. It worked. I believe that Franken was honest in his comments about being sorry for any pain he caused.

But every day it appears that this whole thing was a ploy by Republicans to open up that Senate seat. So now they're angry that their ploy might not work?
 
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