Latest liberal trick to shut down businesses

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HOW TO SUBVERT THE 2ND-REQUIRE A LICENSE TO SELL AMMO, THEN ISSUE NONE​

A missed deadline at the California Department of Justice is leaving some stores with a tough choice: close their doors or keep selling ammo while breaking the law.

Ammunition vendor licenses are a new requirement starting Jan. 1, 2018 for stores that sell ammunition.

The licenses are supposed to be issued by the California Department of Justice. The CA DOJ said last week the licenses would be issued by the deadline, however that didn’t happen.

When Foothill Ammo owner Chris Puehse opens his Cameron Park store Tuesday, he’ll likely be breaking the law. “I did all my paper work. I paid the fees. They’ve had time to figure this out. This is not my problem,” Puehse said.

However Craig Deluz, who works for the Firearms Policy Coalition, said the missed deadline will force other stores to close. To his knowledge, none of the roughly 230 stores that applied for licenses have been issued them.

“Unless the California Department of Justice basically says we’re not going to enforce the law, they really don’t have a choice,” Deluz said.

One person who won’t be enforcing the law is the El Dorado County sheriff, who doesn’t believe store owners should have to pay for the state’s tardiness.

“That’s unacceptable, that’s harm to them, I can’t enforce it, nor will I allow the state to come in and enforce it when it’s unenforceable at this time,” Sheriff John D'agostini said.

Puehse’s reasoning is more personal -- he can’t afford to close. “I have a family to feed, I have a mortgage to pay, I got a lease on my store, I got to stay in business,” Puehse said.




http://www.kcra.com/article/why-this-eldorado-county-ammo-store-is-opening-without-a-license/1452

 

[Airstrip One]

If the stores begin to close, Nevada towns are going to make some money selling ammo.

 

[archives]

Oh, so now rampant breaking of laws is the conservative approach, funny, they used to be such "law and order" advocates

One day after the law takes effect and their crying, guess a lot of gun huggers need their ammo incase Attila try's to steal their Christmas gifts

 

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If the stores begin to close, Nevada towns are going to make some money selling ammo.

I wouldn't be shocked to find that buying ammunition out of state is illegal in the nation's DEMOCRAT-dominated poverty-leader state.

Oh, wait, it already is illegal.

The new laws mandate that by Jan. 1, 2018, all ammunition in California must be purchased in person through a vendor licensed by the Department of Justice. Starting that date, online orders of ammunition also must be processed through one of these vendors.

With limited exceptions, people will be barred from giving away ammunition without going through a vendor, and people won’t be able to legally import ammunition purchased out of state, unless it’s shipped to a licensed California dealer. Violators can face misdemeanor charges.


http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article124089319.html

The Beholden States' DEMOCRATS had a backup plan in case their Prop 63 requirement didn't pass, too.


1. All ammunition sales to individuals are required to be face to face and shall require a background check. A long list of occupational exceptions, exceptions for concealed carry permit holders, law enforcement, etc. will not be required to process the background check, but sales will be recorded. Vendors may charge a fee of up to $10 per background check.

2. It will be illegal to purchase ammunition through the mail.

3. It will be illegal for residents of California to purchase ammunition out of state, and bring it back into the state. Ammunition purchased outside the state will be required to be sent to a licensed vendor in California.

4. Non-residents may legally transport ammunition into and through California, but may not sell it in California, unless is is sold through a licensed vendor subject to a background check. There are exceptions for sale to a direct family member, registered domestic partner, or hunting partner in quantities of no more than 50 rounds per month.

5. All ammunition sales will be kept on a computer data base that will be checked against a list of people who have been ruled to be prohibited possessors of firearms.

6. Nearly all private transfers of ammunition within the state of Callifornia will be required to be done through a licensed ammunition vendor, who may charge a fee for the process.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/07/dean-weingarten/californias-competing-ammunition-control-regulations-heads-they-win-tails-you-lose/

 

[Bigdog]

Oh, so now rampant breaking of laws is the conservative approach, funny, they used to be such "law and order" advocates

One day after the law takes effect and their crying, guess a lot of gun huggers need their ammo incase Attila try's to steal their Christmas gifts

none of the roughly 230 stores that applied for licenses have been issued them.

It is the Left's goal to disarm law abiding Hispanics, Blacks and women.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Oh, so now rampant breaking of laws is the conservative approach, funny, they used to be such "law and order" advocates

One day after the law takes effect and their crying, guess a lot of gun huggers need their ammo incase Attila try's to steal their Christmas gifts

when the law violates the constitution, the law is not valid and can be ignored.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The new laws mandate that by Jan. 1, 2018, all ammunition in California must be purchased in person through a vendor licensed by the Department of Justice. Starting that date, online orders of ammunition also must be processed through one of these vendors.

With limited exceptions, people will be barred from giving away ammunition without going through a vendor, and people won’t be able to legally import ammunition purchased out of state, unless it’s shipped to a licensed California dealer. Violators can face misdemeanor charges.


http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article124089319.html

The Beholden States' DEMOCRATS had a backup plan in case their Prop 63 requirement didn't pass, too.


1. All ammunition sales to individuals are required to be face to face and shall require a background check. A long list of occupational exceptions, exceptions for concealed carry permit holders, law enforcement, etc. will not be required to process the background check, but sales will be recorded. Vendors may charge a fee of up to $10 per background check.

2. It will be illegal to purchase ammunition through the mail.

3. It will be illegal for residents of California to purchase ammunition out of state, and bring it back into the state. Ammunition purchased outside the state will be required to be sent to a licensed vendor in California.

4. Non-residents may legally transport ammunition into and through California, but may not sell it in California, unless is is sold through a licensed vendor subject to a background check. There are exceptions for sale to a direct family member, registered domestic partner, or hunting partner in quantities of no more than 50 rounds per month.

5. All ammunition sales will be kept on a computer data base that will be checked against a list of people who have been ruled to be prohibited possessors of firearms.

6. Nearly all private transfers of ammunition within the state of Callifornia will be required to be done through a licensed ammunition vendor, who may charge a fee for the process.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/07/dean-weingarten/californias-competing-ammunition-control-regulations-heads-they-win-tails-you-lose/

all of which is unconstitutional because only congress has authority over interstate commerce, not the state of California.

 

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all of which is unconstitutional because only congress has authority over interstate commerce, not the state of California.

I'm fairly sure a liberal will be along to tell you different. Just wait.

 

[Airstrip One]

I have no doubt it's illegal. It will also be very difficult to enforce.

 

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I have no doubt it's illegal. It will also be very difficult to enforce.

How so?

It's a great trick for subverting the Second without calling a constitutional convention and repealing it like Michael "Man Mountain" Moore wants to do.

Step 1: Pass a law that say you can't sell ammo without a license.
2. Step 2: Make it illegal to go to another state to buy ammo.
3. Step 3: Collect the fees for the licenses, and then simply don't issue any.

Soon, anyone who obeys the law will have no ammo. Their guns will be paperweights.

 

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The NRA is calling this shoddy trick into question.

All ammunition in California must be purchased in person through a vendor licensed by the Department of Justice. Online orders of ammunition also must be processed through one of these vendors.

With limited exceptions, people will be barred from giving away ammunition without going through a vendor, and people won’t be able to legally import ammunition purchased out of state, unless it’s shipped to a licensed California dealer.

Starting July 2019, another layer of oversight kicks in: Anyone buying ammunition from a vendor will be required to undergo background screening via a state system.

The idea behind the new system is to make it more difficult to get ammunition. “It just makes it a little bit harder for people to have ammunition,” said Adam Winkler, a professor at UCLA School of Law.



http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/article124089319.html

 

[Irish]

Attacking small businesses. What a surprise.

 

[Irish]

How so?

It's a great trick for subverting the Second without calling a constitutional convention and repealing it like Michael "Man Mountain" Moore wants to do.

Step 1: Pass a law that say you can't sell ammo without a license.
2. Step 2: Make it illegal to go to another state to buy ammo.
3. Step 3: Collect the fees for the licenses, and then simply don't issue any.

Soon, anyone who obeys the law will have no ammo. Their guns will be paperweights.

Old trick. Remember when Obama tried to raise ammo prices and cause a shortage? The idea being, hey we can't get the guns, lets get the ammo.

 

[Phantasmal]

Old trick. Remember when Obama tried to raise ammo prices and cause a shortage? The idea being, hey we can't get the guns, lets get the ammo.

That is hilarious, ammo prices went up and there was a shortage because people incorrectly believed he was going to take your guns.

[FONT=&quot]The 2008 election of President Barack Obama triggered increased sales of both firearms and ammunition.[SUP][4][/SUP] USA Today reported that in Wyoming, the "run on bullets and reloading components" reached such a "frenzy" that a Cheyenne retailer began rationing sales and said she was also selling semiautomatic rifles as fast as she could put them on the shelves.[SUP][5][/SUP][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In December 2012, a new wave of panic buying was driven by the perceived likelihood of new firearm control laws being passed by Congress and state governments in response to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.[SUP][6][/SUP] This led to a severe shortage of ammunition for most handgun calibers and some rifle calibers, especially the previously easy-to-find and cheaply priced .22 LR[SUP][6]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–13_United_States_ammunition_shortage[/SUP][/FONT]

 

[katzgar]

There certainly is a mental illness on the right

 

[Irish]

That is hilarious, ammo prices went up and there was a shortage because people incorrectly believed he was going to take your guns.

[FONT="]The 2008 election of President [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama"]Barack Obama[/URL] triggered increased sales of both firearms and ammunition.[SUP][4][/SUP] USA Today reported that in Wyoming, the "run on bullets and reloading components" reached such a "frenzy" that a Cheyenne retailer began rationing sales and said she was also selling semiautomatic rifles as fast as she could put them on the shelves.[SUP][5][/SUP][/FONT]
[FONT="]In December 2012, a new wave of panic buying was driven by the perceived likelihood of new firearm control laws being passed by Congress and state governments in response to the [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting"]Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting[/URL].[SUP][6][/SUP] This led to a severe shortage of ammunition for most handgun calibers and some rifle calibers, especially the previously easy-to-find and cheaply priced .22 LR[SUP][6]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008–13_United_States_ammunition_shortage[/SUP][/FONT]

You're leaving out the part where Obama admin bought up ammo from the manufactures that helped lead to the increase shortages.

 

[Irish]

This is definitely illegal by Calif. Tho. You can't not issue a licence because you don't wan to. I expect a big win for the NRA here.

 

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This is definitely illegal by Calif. Tho. You can't not issue a licence because you don't wan to. I expect a big win for the NRA here.

They aren't refusing to issue the licenses. They just aren't processing them. In the meantime, ammo sellers are either losing their livelihoods or disobeying the law, which makes them liable to prosecution.

I suspect this is a trial balloon. If it goes well, expect to see other DEMOCRAT-dominated states following the same pattern.

 

[Phantasmal]

You're leaving out the part where Obama admin bought up ammo from the manufactures that helped lead to the increase shortages.

You mean the infowars claim?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...on-the-cause-of-gun-ammunition-shortages/amp/