Thank you Trump and Republicans for drawing a line in the sand

Color is important to racist. Don't confuse assumptions with facts.

Yes it is. And thus we have the POTUS singling out a nation and an entire continent composed of a majority of darker-skinned people as an example of latent racism in this country.

If you (group you) defend this than you are defending racism.
 
Color is important to racist. Don't confuse assumptions with facts.

Don't confuse meandering rhetoric with truth.

Fact .. you called Oprah a 'race divider'

Fact .. you seemed confused about how such an obvious racist as Trump could be deemed a race divider like you called Oprah, who is fabulously wealthy because of her affection to white women in particular.

Fact .. now you resort to meandering thoughts about the 'human race' instead of condemning the obvious attempts as race division by Trump .. which once again calls into question your claim about supporting Sanders.

None of this is ment to be confrontational, but if we're going to discuss important issues, shouldn't we discuss them like adults?
 
Don't confuse meandering rhetoric with truth.

Fact .. you called Oprah a 'race divider'
Opinion, not a racist statement

Fact .. you seemed confused about how such an obvious racist as Trump could be deemed a race divider you called Oprah, who is fabulously rich because of her affection to white women in particular.
You are confusing defending the office with defending Trump.

Fact .. now you resort to meandering thoughts about the 'human race' instead of condemning the obvious attempts as race division by Trump .. which once again calls into question your claim about supporting Sanders.
My identity isn't hinged on how black I am. True, I am mixed and can't compete with you.
None of this is ment to be confrontational, but if we're going to discuss important issues, shouldn't we discuss them like adults?
Stop assuming that being independent hinges on defending one side or another. It isn't so. Don't believe my supporting Sanders? I was discussing Sanders elsewhere during the primaries. I'll pm you if you care.
Adult discussions here are few.
 
I differ in that opinion. Did you notice that he singled out "Africa" (an entire continent of nations) and Haiti -- but did not mention any Asian or eastern European countries? Why is that?

Racism.

What Asian or Eastern European country could be described as a shit hole, with people living in squalor like Haiti.....

Name one or two for us...
 
Yes, but lets not insult her about that. Screaming "racist" consistently has lost its luster.

you are a racist

you defend racists

only racists do that


you defend the people who are racist and try to SHAME those who call out racists
 
Yes it is. And thus we have the POTUS singling out a nation and an entire continent composed of a majority of darker-skinned people as an example of latent racism in this country.

If you (group you) defend this than you are defending racism.

The statement, if true, is vulgar and not presidential. Assuming that only people of color are poor is absurd.
 
I do believe racism exists. And I've seen some actual racists in this forum. Morons who use racial slurs to rebut your arguments. But calling Haiti a shit hole isn't racist. It's crude and boorish, but it isn't racist.

That country is 95% black pop. The connection is too obvious. Trump is a throwback Euro colonialist racist if ever there was one in the USA. Trump is the real article. He doesn't even know he's doing it until after it's done
and we all shake are heads in disbelief. "What? What did I say?"

"Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining."
 
What Asian or Eastern European country could be described as a shit hole, with people living in squalor like Haiti.....

Name one or two for us...

Yep - this is where we're at in this discussion now. Courtesy of Trump.

Are we going to have a gauge for acceptable countries, and unacceptable? What's the criteria? What are the thresholds for that criteria?

I think people have completely lost sight of who we are on this one. America doesn't discriminate.
 
It isn't just Asian immigrants who excel in the US; Africans do better than them

Nigerian-Americans have a median household income well above the American average, and above the average of many white and Asian groups.

IN a recent column in the New York Times, Nicholas Kristof dared to ask the “awkward question” of why Asian-Americans have been so economically successful in the US. The most important reasons, he says, are hard work and a reverence for education:

“The Asian American Achievement Paradox,” by Jennifer Lee and Min Zhou, notes that Asian-American immigrants in recent decades have started with one advantage: They are highly educated…Lee and Zhou note that kids of working-class Asian- Americans often also thrive, showing remarkable upward mobility…

I’m pretty sure that one factor is East Asia’s long Confucian emphasis on education…Immigrant East Asians often [make] sacrifices for children’s education, such as giving prime space in the home to kids to study.

Kristof notes research showing that even when IQ scores are equally matched, East Asian kids tend to get ahead by working harder. He also cites experiments indicating that the stereotype of high intelligence and strong academic potential may be self- fulfilling—a positive version of “stereotype threat.”

Kristof’s article is good, and you should read the whole thing. But the focus on East Asians, and “Confucian” culture, seems misplaced to me because the kind of education-intensive culture he describes is common to all high-skilled immigrant groups.

Africans win

Perhaps most surprising is that, by many measures, the most-educated immigrant group in the U.S. isn’t East Asians. It’s Africans.

According to Census data, more than 43% of African immigrants hold a bachelor’s degree or higher—slightly more than immigrants from East Asia. Nigerian immigrants are especially educated, with almost two-thirds holding college degrees—a significantly higher percentage even than Chinese or South Korean immigrants. African immigrants are also very likely to hold advanced degrees, many of which are earned at US universities.

By many measures, African immigrants are as far ahead of American whites in the educational achievement as whites are ahead of African-Americans.

That education translates into higher household income.

Nigerian-Americans, for instance, have a median household income well above the American average, and above the average of many white and Asian groups, such as those of Dutch or Korean descent.

This isn’t the power of Confucius. It’s the magic of high-skilled immigration.

When a country selects immigrants for their educational background and technical skills, it doesn’t just get smart people—it gets families committed to education, hard work and future-oriented life planning.
http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-10...-excel-in-the-us-africans-do-better-than-them
 
Don't confuse meandering rhetoric with truth.

Fact .. you called Oprah a 'race divider'

Fact .. you seemed confused about how such an obvious racist as Trump could be deemed a race divider like you called Oprah, who is fabulously wealthy because of her affection to white women in particular.

Fact .. now you resort to meandering thoughts about the 'human race' instead of condemning the obvious attempts as race division by Trump .. which once again calls into question your claim about supporting Sanders.

None of this is ment to be confrontational, but if we're going to discuss important issues, shouldn't we discuss them like adults?

" the obvious attempts as race division by Trump " ????.....

Like what.....how is Trump attempting to inspire race division.....
and don't claim its by calling a shit hole country a shit hole....
 
It isn't just Asian immigrants who excel in the US; Africans do better than them

Nigerian-Americans have a median household income well above the American average, and above the average of many white and Asian groups.

IN a recent column in the New York Times, Nicholas Kristof dared to ask the “awkward question” of why Asian-Americans have been so economically successful in the US. The most important reasons, he says, are hard work and a reverence for education:

“The Asian American Achievement Paradox,” by Jennifer Lee and Min Zhou, notes that Asian-American immigrants in recent decades have started with one advantage: They are highly educated…Lee and Zhou note that kids of working-class Asian- Americans often also thrive, showing remarkable upward mobility…

I’m pretty sure that one factor is East Asia’s long Confucian emphasis on education…Immigrant East Asians often [make] sacrifices for children’s education, such as giving prime space in the home to kids to study.

Kristof notes research showing that even when IQ scores are equally matched, East Asian kids tend to get ahead by working harder. He also cites experiments indicating that the stereotype of high intelligence and strong academic potential may be self- fulfilling—a positive version of “stereotype threat.”

Kristof’s article is good, and you should read the whole thing. But the focus on East Asians, and “Confucian” culture, seems misplaced to me because the kind of education-intensive culture he describes is common to all high-skilled immigrant groups.

Africans win

Perhaps most surprising is that, by many measures, the most-educated immigrant group in the U.S. isn’t East Asians. It’s Africans.

According to Census data, more than 43% of African immigrants hold a bachelor’s degree or higher—slightly more than immigrants from East Asia. Nigerian immigrants are especially educated, with almost two-thirds holding college degrees—a significantly higher percentage even than Chinese or South Korean immigrants. African immigrants are also very likely to hold advanced degrees, many of which are earned at US universities.

By many measures, African immigrants are as far ahead of American whites in the educational achievement as whites are ahead of African-Americans.

That education translates into higher household income.

Nigerian-Americans, for instance, have a median household income well above the American average, and above the average of many white and Asian groups, such as those of Dutch or Korean descent.

This isn’t the power of Confucius. It’s the magic of high-skilled immigration.

When a country selects immigrants for their educational background and technical skills, it doesn’t just get smart people—it gets families committed to education, hard work and future-oriented life planning.
http://mgafrica.com/article/2015-10...-excel-in-the-us-africans-do-better-than-them

they will of course pretend its not true
 
" the obvious attempts as race division by Trump " ????.....

Like what.....how is Trump attempting to inspire race division.....
and don't claim its by calling a shit hole country a shit hole....

if you cant see it you are too racist to see it

that is why we dont let racists define what racism is
 
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