British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

anatta said:
Brennan is a known liar. He's also been dodgy about when he knew the Steele dossier was political noise ... It is the blandishment of the article in total that makes it little more then a common Spook misdirection ploy.
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In mid 2016, some months before the Steele dossier was passed to the FBI, the CIA was receiving warnings from GCHQ and other western intel agencies - the Dutch and French have been mentioned - of suspicious contacts between Trump associates and known Russian agents (the Russians were the targets, not Trump). Should Brennan have ignored these warnings?

You say that the Guardian article is "little more then a common spook misdirection ploy". It was published in April 2017 when Trump was already president. What would have been the point of a misdirection ploy by British intel at that time?
 
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Tranquillus in Exile said:
Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.
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It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US.

The issue of GCHQ’s role in the FBI’s ongoing investigation into possible cooperation between the Trump campaign and Moscow is highly sensitive. In March Trump tweeted that Barack Obama had illegally “wiretapped” him in Trump Tower. The White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, claimed the “British spying agency” GCHQ had carried out the bugging. Spicer cited an unsubstantiated report on Fox News. Fox later distanced itself from the report.

The claims prompted an extremely unusual rebuke from GCHQ, which generally refrains from commenting on all intelligence matters. The agency described the allegations first made by a former judge turned media commentator, Andrew Napolitano, as nonsense. “They are utterly ridiculous and should be ignored,” a spokesperson for GCHQ said.

Instead both US and UK intelligence sources acknowledge that GCHQ played an early, prominent role in kickstarting the FBI’s Trump-Russia investigation, which began in late July 2016. One source called the British eavesdropping agency the “principal whistleblower”.

According to one account, GCHQ’s then head, Robert Hannigan, passed material in summer 2016 to the CIA chief, John Brennan. After an initially slow start, Brennan used GCHQ information and intelligence from other partners to launch a major inter-agency investigation.
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The FBI’s director, James Comey, altered his position after the election and Trump’s victory, becoming “more affirmative” and with a “higher level of concern”. Comey’s apparent shift may have followed a mid-October decision by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (Fisa) court to approve a secret surveillance order. The order gave permission for the Department of Justice to investigate two banks suspected of being part of the Kremlin’s undercover influence operation.

The Washington Post reported that the same order covered Carter Page, one of Trump’s associates. It allowed the FBI and the justice department to monitor Page’s communications. Page, a former foreign policy aide, was suspected of being an agent of influence working for Russia, the paper said, citing US officials.
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Britain’s MI6 spy agency played a part in intelligence sharing with the US, one source said. MI6 declined to comment. Its former chief Sir Richard Dearlove described Trump’s wiretapping claim as “simply deeply embarrassing for Trump and the administration. The only possible explanation is that Trump started tweeting without understanding how the NSA-GCHQ relationship actually works."

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
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first question......who was on Trump's campaign team in 2015?...and why were the British surveiling for campaign collusion before Trump became a candidate?..
 
Darth Omar said:
No but I have solid grounds to be skeptical lol.

The whole ‘crying wolf’ thing. Do you ever get tired of being disappointed?
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Bank of Cyprus is notorious for laundering Russian money.. Trump and his pal Wilbur Ross, Manafort and Kushner were all involved with BOC.
 
Tranquillus in Exile said:
In mid 2016, some months before the Steele dossier was passed to the FBI, the CIA was receiving warnings from GCHQ and other western intel agencies - the Dutch and French have been mentioned - of suspicious contacts between Trump associates and known Russian agents (the Russians were the targets, not Trump). Should Brennan have ignored these warnings?

You say that the Guardian article is "little more then a common spook misdirection ploy". It was published in April 2017 when Trump was already president. What would have been the point of a misdirection ploy by British intel at that time?
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you are asking me why Spooks do what Spooks do? The reasons are as varied as the plotting and the plotters.
As written this is a nothing burger -full of innuendo -short on facts
 
kudzu said:
NO.. some low level MI6 operatives blew up other Brits to blame the Palestinians and got caught.. so they blamed it on competing bootleggers. Total disaster for British intelligence.
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MI6 ... the people that claimed Saddam had WMDs :palm:
 
Darth Omar said:
Is this a concession that Russian collusion was a hoax and a pretext to get an SP appointed?
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You can't do business with Russia when the US has them under sanctions.

Remember how Bush went after Exxon and the Marriot over Exxon attending a meeting there re: drilling off shore Cuba?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
why were the British surveiling for campaign collusion before Trump became a candidate?..
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They weren't, then or at any other time. That isn't part of their job. They were running surveillance on known Russian agents.

Communications between some of those agents and Trump associates started coming up. Other western intel agencies found the same. Amazing, ain't it?
 
kudzu said:
Yes.. Operation Mass Appeal was designed to sell the invasion of Iraq.. Derek Plumbly and Richard Dearlove were heading that up.
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Yep ... and add to that the British collusion with the Russians to create the pissgate dossier ... and we find MI6 has zero credibility :palm:

But at least North Sea crude is profitable, again :palm:
 
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