How Mary Jo Kopechne was a victim of the Kennedys TWICE

Havana Moon said:
Running away from the scene and leaving somebody to die is, just because you knew the bastard you think he's some kind of God. He and his buddies made many calls from their rented house using credit cards, calling all and sundry, yet somehow forgot to call the police.

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Oh and just another thought, why did Kennedy leave and then start driving tanked up, when his personal chauffeur was at the party as well?
Anybody care to answer that?

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Havana Moon said:
Oh and just another thought, why did Kennedy leave and then start driving tanked up, when his personal chauffeur was at the party as well?
Anybody care to answer that?

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Who knows? Do you have some sort of provable accusation there, or is this a Trump/info wars kind of speculation?
 
Thing1 said:
Who knows? Do you have some sort of provable accusation there, or is this a Trump/info wars kind of speculation?
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How is it speculation? It is a matter of public record that his chauffeur was with him and he had been drinking heavily.

In 1969 Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick, a small island connected by ferry to the town of Edgartown, situated on the adjoining larger island of Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts. A small ferry crosses Edgartown Harbor carrying vehicles and people a distance of 527 feet.*

The party was held at a rented cottage in honor of David Hackett, who had been in charge of the “Boiler Room” where trusted workers compiled intelligence reports on how delegates to the Democratic convention intended to vote. Six married men and six un-married women attended. These Boiler Room Girls had assisted in the 1968 presidential campaign of Kennedy's brother Robert. Kenney's cousin Joseph A. Gargan, who was one of the attendees, stated that all those at the party were "a little bombed, except for Ray LaRosa."*

At sometime between 11:30 p.m. on Friday, July 18, and 1:00 a.m. on Saturday, Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne, a hauntingly pretty 28-year-old lass, slipped out of the party and got into Kennedy's 1967 Oldsmobile sedan. Mary Jo told no one that she was leaving with Kennedy. Kennedy later testified that at "approximately 11:15 p.m." he had announced that he was about to leave, and Kopechne told him that she also wanted to go and asked if he would be kind enough to drop her back at her hotel (in Edgartown).*

Kennedy's chauffeur John Crimmins was at the party, and so the first cloud enters with the question, asked by none other than Richard Drayn, Kennedy's press secretary: "Why had Ted Kennedy driven himself to the ferry when his chauffeur was at the party?" Another cloud appears because Mary Jo left her purse and hotel key at the party.

Kennedy drove his car off the main road (leading to the ferry) and made a turn onto Dike Road. He knew this road led to the beach because on Friday he had twice traveled it for a swim. However, before driving down Dike Road an incident of prime significance occurred. Prior to turning onto Dike Road, Kennedy had driven down Cemetery Road, a single car-width private road. Kennedy stopped the car at this point, but saw Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look (later elected Sheriff ), behind him. Look later testified under oath that this incident happened at "approximately 12:40 a.m. to 12:45 a.m.," contradicting Kennedy's statement on this matter.*

The statement of State Police Detective Bernie Flynn on this incident reads:

"I figure we've got a drunk driver, Ted Kennedy. He's with this girl, and he has it in his mind to go down to the beach and make love to her. He's probably driving too fast and he misses the curve and goes into Cemetery Road. He's backing up when he sees this guy in uniform coming towards him. That's panic for the average driver who's been drinking; but here's a United States Senator about to get tagged for driving under (the influence). He doesn't want to get caught with a girl in his car, on a deserted road late at night, with no license (4) and driving drunk on top of it. In his mind, the most important thing is to get away from the situation.*

"He doesn't wait around. He takes off down (Dike) road. He's probably looking in the rear-view mirror to see if the cop is following him. He doesn't even see the bridge and bingo! He goes off. He gets out of the car; she doesn't. The poor (expletive) doesn't know what to do. He's thinking, `I want to get back to my house, to my friends ` which is a common reaction. There are houses on Dike Road he could have gone to to report the accident, but he doesn't want to. Because it's the same situation he was trying to get away from at the corner – which turned out to be minor compared to what happened later.*

"Now there's been an accident; the girl's probably dead. All the more reason not to go banging on somebody's door in the middle of the night and admit what he was doing. He doesn't want to reveal himself..."
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http://www.traditioninaction.org/Cultural/E018cpKennedy_Chappaquiddick.htm

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Havana Moon said:
How is it speculation? It is a matter of public record that his chauffeur was with him and he had been drinking heavily.


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I'm not talking about the chauffer being there. I'm talking about whatever you have in mind as the "reason" he didn't use the chauffer.
 
Thing1 said:
I'm not talking about the chauffer being there. I'm talking about whatever you have in mind as the "reason" he didn't use the chauffer.
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Right so it's so hard to work out! He was drunk, had no licence, hence the chauffeur, and he wanted to have sex on the beach without any witnesses. Got a better explanation?

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Havana Moon said:
Right so it's so hard to work out! He was drunk, had no licence, hence the chauffeur, and he wanted to have sex on the beach without any witnesses. Got a better explanation?

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I mean, it's pointless speculation - but that was always kind of the assumption.

I don't get the reason for it. Does it make any difference?
 
Sailor said:
Another limpwristed attempt at trying to save yourself from being absofuckinglutely wrong again. Your stupidity is astounding. So tell me there "Doctor", how many drowning victims have you actually seen? The only thing for sure here is you would never experience a dry drowning. You have no gag reflex.
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All my contentions have been fully documented.
 
Rune said:
You suck at math.
8 drinks over 7 hours.
280 pound man.
Legal drunkenness at that time; .10
Sorry Charlie.
Try again.
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And, the rum & cokes could have been double shots with a splash of coke making it 16 drinks and 2 beers...could have been Bacardi 151 proof also. He might have been very drunk but, he's not stupid. Better to hide out for 10 hours than take a chance.
 
Havana Moon said:
What's to explain, aren't you interested in the truth? You certainly seem to be if it is about an over the hill porn star, hoping to hit the mother lode.

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Really? I have said many times that I don't care about the fact that Trump had an affair. The only times I have brought it up on this board relate to the hypocrisy of the "family values" crowd. I don't care that he had an affair.
 
Stretch said:
And, the rum & cokes could have been double shots with a splash of coke making it 16 drinks and 2 beers...could have been Bacardi 151 proof also. He might have been very drunk but, he's not stupid. Better to hide out for 10 hours than take a chance.
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Can you guys do anything but speculate?
 
Stretch said:
And, the rum & cokes could have been double shots with a splash of coke making it 16 drinks and 2 beers. He might have been very drunk but, he's not stupid. Better to hide out for 10 hours than take a chance.
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Rune is a total fuckwad, there is no way Kennedy was anywhere close to 280 pounds back in 1969. Yet he claims to be some kind of genius.

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Rune said:
I know what he did, I knew him.
He is known by his colleagues, both sides, as an able negotiator, long serving, effective and capable of reaching compromise with anyone.
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All of which has nothing to do with his down time activities.
 
Thing1 said:
Really? I have said many times that I don't care about the fact that Trump had an affair. The only times I have brought it up on this board relate to the hypocrisy of the "family values" crowd. I don't care that he had an affair.
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Well there are many that do. Are you not in favour of the truth as a matter of course, or do you prefer the cover up? Which begs the question, why did you go see the film if you didn't care about those events back in 1969? I contend that one of the main reasons he got off so lightly was because of Apollo 11 landing dominated the news. Well that and the fact that the Kennedy Clan lawyers did their job.

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Havana Moon said:
Well there are many that do. Are you not in favour of the truth as a matter of course, or do you prefer the cover up? Which begs the question, why did you go see the film if you didn't care about those events back in 1969? I contend that one of the main reasons he got off so lightly was because of Apollo 11 landing dominated the news. Well that and the fact that the Kennedy Clan lawyers did their job.

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There is nothing illegal about an affair. That aspect of the story isn't what I think about, or am concerned about. It's not accurate that this translates into not caring about the "truth." I'm interested in anything factual that supports a case that his actions were illegal.

All I see out of you & others is speculation.
 
I Love America said:
Actually, Kennedy doesn't have to live with it anymore.

And you aren't the arbiter of what I care about and don't care about. I know you think you are this savant who knows everything, but you really don't. I am free to discuss anything I choose to discuss.

What is really most interesting to me in all of this is how you lefties wring your hands over everything Trump has done, yet you sit here and defend Teddy Kennedy basically saying what he did in the Senate absolves any of his sins. Why wouldn't people like Trump and Clinton think they can get away with anything? Kennedy got away with manslaughter all because his daddy was rich and he was a US Senator.

You are the one who wants to act all high and mighty as if you have some moral compass with which to criticize Trump.

Tell ya what. I will make a deal with you. If Donald Trump ever gets drunk and drives a 29 year old girl off of a bridge and swims away to leave her die and doesn't report it for 10 hours, I 100% guarantee that I will condemn him and never support him. Good enough for you?
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