Replacing Saddam with butchers.

Sorry not buying that, Trump is on their side against Iran. That's all they really care about, isn't it?

Its not that simple. They want Iran NOT to develop nuclear weapons and to stop funding HAMAS, Hezbollah and the al Houthis.

The Saudis want peace so the Arab world can move forward to include the Palestinians and Lebanese. Trump should be engaging Iran on those terms.. since he claims to be a world class negotiator.
 
Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil.. and would NOT forgive the OPEC quota as KSA did.. Saddam was NO threat to anyone except Kuwait and that was remedied pretty quickly. There was NO reason for an invasion in 2003. NONE.... That's why everyone who knew anything about Iraq or the ME OPPOSED the invasion.. That means Arabia and the GCC, oilmen, historians, diplomats and Europeans tried to warn Bush off, but he was under the thrall of Cheney and Bibi Netanyahu and believed he was fighting Gog and Magog.

It was probably the dumbest war in history and lead to the ascendancy of Iran and the development of ISIS.

Not sure that I buy that completely, he definitely had his eye on Saudi Arabia as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khafji
 
I don't think they were bad relations under Obama. They knew what he was trying to accomplish... just as they know Trump is a buffoon.. They know Trump responds to flattery and praise.. and call Kushner the Clown Prince. Foreign policy is not all shits and giggles or sword dances..
c'mon.

Saudi Arabia Says King Won’t Attend Meetings in U.S
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/...abia-king-wont-attend-camp-david-meeting.html

Saudi king fails to meet Obama off plane at Riyadh airport
https://www.rt.com/news/340489-obama-saudi-king-visit/

Trumps foreign policy is just fine-thank you
 
Why do you think the Arabs, historians, diplomats, Europeans and oilmen ALL opposed Bush's invasion of Iraq, you effing moron?

It wasn't Bush's invasion you effing MORON. It was a UN effort with 32 other nations. Get your head out of your asshole and get some oxygen to that teeny tiny unintelligent brain of yours.

If Saddam had not invaded a peaceful neighboring Arab country that is a member state of the UN, we wouldn't have invaded Iraq. You effing MORON.

Now do yourself a favor and....

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I don't think they were bad relations under Obama. They knew what he was trying to accomplish... just as they know Trump is a buffoon.. They know Trump responds to flattery and praise.. and call Kushner the Clown Prince. Foreign policy is not all shits and giggles or sword dances..

:lolup: Thar she blows with TDS! :rofl2: What everyone knew was Obama was a naive dumbfuck who could be played. Not so much with Trump. Grow a brain you effing MORON.

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Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil.. and would NOT forgive the OPEC quota as KSA did.. Saddam was NO threat to anyone except Kuwait

Wrong you effing MORON; he was a threat to Saudi Arabia, he was a threat to Iran, to Kuwait, to Israel, perhaps even to Jordan and a threat to anyone else that might have something he wanted.

and that was remedied pretty quickly.

It was NEVER remedied you effing MORON. Primarily because the Tyrant Saddam was left in place because buffoons claimed there would be a power vacuum without a tyrant in charge. A preposterous and stupid assertion in the extreme.

There was NO reason for an invasion in 2003. NONE.... That's why everyone who knew anything about Iraq or the ME OPPOSED the invasion.. That means Arabia and the GCC, oilmen, historians, diplomats and Europeans tried to warn Bush off, but he was under the thrall of Cheney and Bibi Netanyahu and believed he was fighting Gog and Magog.

There was EVERY reason to invade and whiny armchair dumbfucks second guessing the war are just that, whiny ignorant dumbfucks who pretend that 9-11 never happened, that Saddam wasn't a threat, that Saddam wasn't a brutal tyrant and that Saddam was good for the region. All incredibly stupid assertions from effing MORONS like you.

It was probably the dumbest war in history and lead to the ascendancy of Iran and the development of ISIS.

Says the dumbest person in the history of man who claims to be a ME expert but doesn't have the slightest clue of what they are emoting about. Iran is hardly ascending except for the efforts provided to them by Obama. ISIS was a creation of Obama's run between the tail policy in the middle east that did nothing but assuage effing MORONS like you who moronically think wars should be fought in two weeks and that one should have an EXIT strategy that does not include total victory.

Effing MORON.

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Kuwait was stealing Iraqi oil.. and would NOT forgive the OPEC quota as KSA did.. Saddam was NO threat to anyone except Kuwait and that was remedied pretty quickly. There was NO reason for an invasion in 2003. NONE.... That's why everyone who knew anything about Iraq or the ME OPPOSED the invasion.. That means Arabia and the GCC, oilmen, historians, diplomats and Europeans tried to warn Bush off, but he was under the thrall of Cheney and Bibi Netanyahu and believed he was fighting Gog and Magog.

Awww....poor Saddam. So in effing MORON land where you wallow, Saddam was justified. Just STFU already you ignorant retard.

It was probably the dumbest war in history and lead to the ascendancy of Iran and the development of ISIS.

Wrong; but you have to be one of the dumbest morons in the history of man to be defending a tyrant, you effing MORON.

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Salman is very old and fragile... that's why he didn't meet Obama.. Russia today wants to make it about something else.
this comes in stark contrast to the reception of other high-profile guests, whom the 80-year-old King Salman greeted personally on the airfield.
Also on the Washington meeting Obama called: per NYTimes
Arab officials said they viewed the king’s failure to attend the meeting as a sign of disappointment with what the White House was willing to offer at the summit meeting as reassurance that the United States would back its Arab allies against a rising Iran.

King Salman is expected to call Mr. Obama on Monday to talk about his last-minute decision not to attend the summit meeting, a senior administration official said on Sunday.

The official said that when the king met Secretary of State John Kerry in Riyadh last week, he indicated that he was looking forward to coming to the meeting. But on Friday night, after the White House put out a statement saying Mr. Obama would be meeting with King Salman in Washington, administration officials received a call from the Saudi foreign minister that the king would not be coming after all.
 
Oh looky here; all the people who thought Saddam wasn't a threat!!!

Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003
 
Wrong you effing MORON; he was a threat to Saudi Arabia, he was a threat to Iran, to Kuwait, to Israel, perhaps even to Jordan and a threat to anyone else that might have something he wanted.



It was NEVER remedied you effing MORON. Primarily because the Tyrant Saddam was left in place because buffoons claimed there would be a power vacuum without a tyrant in charge. A preposterous and stupid assertion in the extreme.



There was EVERY reason to invade and whiny armchair dumbfucks second guessing the war are just that, whiny ignorant dumbfucks who pretend that 9-11 never happened, that Saddam wasn't a threat, that Saddam wasn't a brutal tyrant and that Saddam was good for the region. All incredibly stupid assertions from effing MORONS like you.



Says the dumbest person in the history of man who claims to be a ME expert but doesn't have the slightest clue of what they are emoting about. Iran is hardly ascending except for the efforts provided to them by Obama. ISIS was a creation of Obama's run between the tail policy in the middle east that did nothing but assuage effing MORONS like you who moronically think wars should be fought in two weeks and that one should have an EXIT strategy that does not include total victory.

Effing MORON.

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You sure don't know anything at all about the Middle East.. Did you even go to school?

Hahaha.. You thought the Iraq war would be won in weeks? The British took Baghdad in 2 weeks and then the wheels came off and they were bogged down for 20 years.

Iran was controlling Maliki before Bush ever left office.. and ISIS came out of Camp Bucca Prison in Iraq in 2004.

You are one dumbass incapable of learning anything.. just like Trump.
 
Oh looky here; all the people who thought Saddam wasn't a threat!!!

Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001

"I mean, we have three different countries that, while they all present serious problems for the United States -- they're dictatorships, they're involved in the development and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction -- you know, the most imminent, clear and present threat to our country is not the same from those three countries. I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country."
-- Sen. John Edwards (D, NC) Feb. 24, 2002

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power. We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." "
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Edward Kennedy (D, MA) Sep. 27, 2002

"Now let me be clear -- I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him."
-- State Senator Barack Obama (Democrat, Illinois) Oct. 2, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
-- Senator John Edwards (D, NC), Oct. 7, 2002

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction. It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the armed conflict."
-- Sen. Harry Reid (D. NV) Oct. 9, 2002


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"
-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"I come to this debate, Mr. Speaker, as one at the end of 10 years in office on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, where stopping the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction was one of my top priorities. I applaud the President on focusing on this issue and on taking the lead to disarm Saddam Hussein. ... Others have talked about this threat that is posed by Saddam Hussein. Yes, he has chemical weapons, he has biological weapons, he is trying to get nuclear weapons."
-- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA) Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."
-- Ex President Bill Clinton, Jul. 22, 2003 (Interview with CNN Larry King)

I asked very direct questions of the top people in the CIA and people who'd served in the Clinton administration. And they said they believed that Saddam Hussein either had weapons or had the components of weapons or the ability to quickly make weapons of mass destruction. What we're worried about is an A-bomb in a Ryder truck in New York, in Washington and St. Louis. It cannot happen. We have to prevent it from happening.
-- Rep. Richard Gephardt (D, MT) Nov. 2, 2003

Your list of testimonies about invading Iraq just shows you how damned ignorant Americans are about the ME, the oil business and how easily they fell prey to the PNAC's Clean Break Strategy and the efforts to cook the intelligence.

Even the Brits were SELLING the invasion with Operation Mass Appeal.
 
I have known Salman since the 1950s.. He is a very good man and he is VERY fragile.. His health is not exactly stable.
that's allwell and good, but he did make the airport visit for others -and shunned Obama

and the NYTime article shows Obama was the problem ( his tilt towards Iran) why the Washington meeting was a bust.

which brings us back to "Trump improved US/ Saudi relations" as i stated. real improvement.not just sword dances
 
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