Did Trump back down?

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Why not? When we funded the ISAP program, 99.8% of those in the program made their court appearance. None of them were detained.




So, the problem with you being a Russian troll is that you don't really understand how America works. Sure, your FSB officers may have briefed you on some of the basics of American law, but when it comes to the finer details, it's obvious you're just sort of gleaning info from other right-wing trolls online. When people arrive in this country seeking asylum, they have to turn themselves into the authorities. You can't declare asylum until you're in custody. What used to happen is that those people would be processed and then released via the ISAP program, in which 99.8% of those in the program made their court appearance. Depending on the judge's decision, the asylum seeker would either be granted asylum status, or deported. But prior to that court hearing, if the immigrant was enrolled in a program like ISAP, they were not detained in detention centers. They were monitored and had to check in with their case manager prior to the court date. And it was 99.8% successful, according to ICE.

Then you Nazis defunded that program and didn't have a solution other than locking people up on misdemeanor charges and tearing families apart. Why? Because you're Nazis and that's what Nazis do.

There is a specific process for applying for asylum. Don't follow it and you are here illegally.

It would appear that I am way more informed than you. Just the other day you were squealing "What law was Trump following" and I had to educate you about Flores and the 9th Circuit ruling.

Just admit that Trump just played you guys yesterday.

Sorry, they are not going to be released into America never to be heard from again. You lose bitch. Suck it up

#MAGA BITCHES

 

[LV426]

Again the libtards have been outplayed by Trump. They mistakenly thought he would fight like he always does. I have to admit, I didn't see it at first. But again, he just played this brilliantly.

He did fight like he always does; he fights like Conservatives have fought for 40 years - create a problem, complain about the problem, half-solve it, then play the victim when praise isn't given.

We've seen this playbook many times before played by far more clever people.

Trump isn't Belicheck...he's Mornhinweig.

 

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He didn't sign the EO for the benefit of anyone but himself. And he's not a master strategist. All he did here was pull a stunt that traded one human rights abuse for another. And he did that because what he really wants to do is rip families apart because he's a Nazi, his supporters are Nazis, and that's what Nazis do.

He did exactly what liberals were demanding he do. It is what Chuck Schumer wanted him to do. Why are you unhappy with it?

It is tough for you. Suck it

 

[LV426]

Libtards are boxed in a corner. He just gave them what they say they wanted. Now what do they do?

No liberal wanted indefinite, unconstitutional detention. You present a false choice; either rip families apart or detain them indefinitely in violation of Due Process and the 14th Amendment.

You present false choice because that's what Nazis do.

By signing the EO, Trump admitted that the policy of ripping families apart was his, and that he could do something about it. So all that time you spent saying it was the law, you were actually bullshitting us. So since you were bullshitting us about that, why should we trust in anything you say?

 

[LV426]

Illegal aliens are detained DEFINITELY until their hearing.

No they're not. It's unconstitutional and was struck down by the courts in Hedges v. Obama.

Learn facts.

 

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No liberal wanted indefinite, unconstitutional detention. You present a false choice; either rip families apart or detain them indefinitely in violation of Due Process and the 14th Amendment.

You present false choice because that's what Nazis do.

By signing the EO, Trump admitted that the policy of ripping families apart was his, and that he could do something about it. So all that time you spent saying it was the law, you were actually bullshitting us. So since you were bullshitting us about that, why should we trust in anything you say?

You continue to be wrong. Trump was following the law as set down by the Flores settlement and the 9th Circuit.

Liberals screamed all week that ALL they wanted was the kids to be put back with their parents. They said nothing about the adults being detained. You are moving the goalposts which we fully expected. Trump expected it.

You have no play now. You are boxed in bitch. Accept it.

 

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Quote Originally Posted by LV426
By signing the EO, Trump admitted that the policy of ripping families apart was his, and that he could do something about it. So all that time you spent saying it was the law, you were actually bullshitting us. So since you were bullshitting us about that, why should we trust in anything you say?

IA #227
"You continue to be wrong. Trump was following the law as set down by the Flores settlement and the 9th Circuit.
Liberals screamed all week that ALL they wanted was the kids to be put back with their parents. They said nothing about the adults being detained. You are moving the goalposts which we fully expected. Trump expected it.
You have no play now. You are boxed in bitch. Accept it." IA #227

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Happy first day of Summer.

 

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Kind of have to be sure a group of men, women and kids are actually a family before throwing them all together. That plus the fact that most minors showed up at the border with no adults at all, so naturally all THOSE kids will be grouped together in a separate shelter.

Yes, and according to the courts, those kids cannot be detained for more than 20 days.

 

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You are either lying or uninformed. Allow me to educate you as I did the other day.
The Flores settlement applied to unaccompanied minors and stated they could not be detained for more than 20 days
The 9th Circuit Court came behind that and said it also applied to ACCOMPANIED minors.

Yeah, 20 days. It's been 60 days since the policy started and those kids have been detained and not reunited with their parents.

So you keep talking in circles, and I am convinced that's intentional.

 

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So if you support protecting our borders those two things make it impossible to not separate the families. Tough shit for you. Trump out played you guys with his EO like I said yesterday. I didn't see it at first. But I see it clearly now.

Wrong.

The kids don't have to be separated. The program ISAP kept families together and had a 99.8% success rate in those people making their court appearance.

Then you stripped funding for that program, rendering it cancelled.

So you created a problem, and offered up a half-assed solution that violates the Constitution and human rights.

And you did that because you're a Nazi.

 

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So again, what we have here is you lying. Your claim was that Obama was doing what Trump was, but here that's not the case. This family was broken up because of deportation, they weren't broken up when they came across the border. So you're conflating things again, stretching the truth because your argument is shit and you know it. This family wasn't separated when they were detained, they were separated when the mother was deported. Your claim was that Obama was separating families at the border, when they arrived, just like Trump started doing back in April. This article ]doesn't support your argument. You tried to stretch it to fit within your argument. What a fraud.

I made no 'claim' or 'argument'; I stated facts as they were reported and cited reports in the media. Obama separated families, detained asylees, and caged kids. He had reasons for so doing, presumably, as does the current Administration.

 

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The program ISAP kept families together and had a 99.8% success rate in those people making their court appearance.

Hard to skip court if you aren't released before the hearing, I suppose.

Then there's ISAP, with nightly curfews, electronic monitoring devices such as GPS ankle bracelets and voice recognition software for telephone-based reporting, and intensive case management sessions.

 

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There is a specific process for applying for asylum. Don't follow it and you are here illegally.

The process is to turn yourself in and declare asylum. That's literally the process. That's how asylum works. You don't know that because you're not from America, are you?

 

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It would appear that I am way more informed than you. Just the other day you were squealing "What law was Trump following" and I had to educate you about Flores and the 9th Circuit ruling.

No, you're just making it up as you go and then employing Dunning-Kruger so you can insulate your fragile ego.

The FLores Settlement does not establish asylum law. It doesn't even establish that families are to be separated. It doesn't even establish that anyone seeking asylum is to be detained. All it does is say that if unaccompanied children are detained, they cannot be detained for longer than 20 days.

Trump, Republicans, and Nazis have had these children separated and detained for at least 60 days, dating back to April when the policy started.

So no, you're not informed on this. You're making it up as you go and hoping no one calls you out on it.

That's because you're a Nazi and that's what Nazis do.

 

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Sorry, they are not going to be released into America never to be heard from again. You lose bitch. Suck it up

ISAP had a 99.8% retention rate when it came to making court appearances. So you defunded the program because it was successful and proving your shitty arguments that people disappear after release completely and utterly false.

So you break something, offer a half-assed solution, and expect praise.

Fuck you, Nazi.

 

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Only 3% of those cut loose wondering off to "somewhere" in our country ever honored their court date.
For the left it was never about keeping families together...it's all about open borders and lawlessness.

 

[Phantasmal]

Only 3% of those cut loose wondering off to "somewhere" in our country ever honored their court date.
For the left it was never about keeping families together...it's all about open borders and lawlessness.

Site, please, thanks

 

[Legion]

No they're not. It's unconstitutional and was struck down by the courts in Hedges v. Obama. Learn facts.

You don't know what "definitely" means in the context of detention, it appears.

You also don't appear to be familiar with case law.

Hedges v. Obama claimed that the vagueness of key terms in the NDAA left open the possibility of military arrest and indefinite detention in a military prison, without disclosure of charges and without trial, of persons guilty of no more than constitutionally protected journalism and dissent. Section 1021(b)(2) of the NDAA provides for such detention of the following “covered” persons:

• A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its
• coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or
• has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.

The Obama administration immediately filed for an emergency stay of Judge Forrest’s injunction and were granted that stay by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. Hedges et al then appealed to the Supreme Court, which denied certiorari in 2014.

The Court concluded: "We conclude that plaintiffs lack standing to seek preenforcement review of Section 1021 and vacate the permanent injunction.The American citizen plaintiffs lack [Article III] standing because Section 1021 says nothing at all about the President's authority to detain American citizens. And while Section 1021 does have a real bearing on those who are neither citizens nor lawful resident aliens and who are apprehended abroad, the non-citizen plaintiffs also have failed to establish standing because they have not shown a sufficient threat that the government will detain them under Section 1021. Accordingly, we do not address the merits of plaintiffs' constitutional claims".

https://www.legalreader.com/the-importance-of-hedges-v-obama/i

 

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He did exactly what liberals were demanding he do. It is what Chuck Schumer wanted him to do. Why are you unhappy with it?

Liberals were not demanding that Trump violate the Constitution to detain people indefinitely. Nazis demand that because you're Nazis and detaining people indefinitely is what Nazis do.

Why does Trump have to detain people indefinitely in order to keep families together when that wasn't the practice before, when we had a program that was successful at keeping people together and getting them to make their court date?

Because false choices are what Nazis make.

 

[Legion]

Only 3% of those cut loose wondering off to "somewhere" in our country ever honored their court date.
For the left it was never about keeping families together...it's all about open borders and lawlessness.

ISAP imposed nightly curfews, electronic monitoring devices (ankle bracelets) and applied voice recognition software to telephone-based reporting. It also entailed intensive (and expensive) case management sessions, Ms. Stretch.

What the libs won't tell you is that relatively few illegals were ever participants in ISAP, and that the program was not as successful as they'd like you to think.

ISAP was nota well-maintained program, in that many of its participants seemed to go unmonitored and many who violated the program’s rules never were rearrested by Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents. Although an estimated 5,000 immigrants absconded from ISAP or committed other crimes over the three-year period from 2010 to 2012, ICE often took no action against these immigrants, primarily due to the lack of resources of ICE field offices to handle the rearrests of these individuals, as well as the inability to sustain such case-intensive monitoring services.

http://www.landerholmimmigration.com/intensive-supervision-appearance-program/