Race and Admissions - Affirming Disadvantage

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Anyone who thinks blacks are as intelligent as whites and asians needs to explain why

1. Black-americans come in last in all standardized tests. Asian-americans do fine on all the tests so it's not due to cultural bias in the tests.

2. Africa is by far the poorest and most backward continent on the planet. All of black africa is now controlled by blacks and has been for decades so it's not due to racism.

3. No black has ever won a Science Nobel Prize unless you count one in 1979 for the semi-science of economics. They have won many nobels in non-brain fields like Peace and also in Literature so it is not due to racism.

4. Out of 1552 chess grandmasters in the world, only THREE are black.

Now does that mean cause the over whelming majority of hockey players are Canadians anyone who is not Canadian can't play hockey? Or since the majority of winners of Nobel prizes for physics haven't been American, Americans are innately dumb when it comes to physics? Etc., etc., etc

Your conclusions are simplistic, and formulated without recognition of historical, cultural, or social factors

 

[Irish Exit]

According to the law suit Harvard assigned points based on race. Black and Hispanic got positive points and Asians got a large number of negative points.

And according to Harvard they do not and that is a misconstruction of what the personal ratings are about. Poor people get a bump (which doesn't favor Asians); Athletes get a bump (which doesn't favor a lot of Asians); and legacy students get a bump up which may or may not favor Asians depending on whether their family is associated with the school. Asians represent over 20% of those admitted; blacks 14, and Hispanics 11. They have like 40K applicants and a couple thousand spots a year. I am sure Asians are not the only ones represented in the 38K denial letters.

 

[cawacko]

And according to Harvard they do not and that is a misconstruction of what the personal ratings are about. Poor people get a bump (which doesn't favor Asians); Athletes get a bump (which doesn't favor a lot of Asians); and legacy students get a bump up which may or may not favor Asians depending on whether their family is associated with the school. Asians represent over 20% of those admitted; blacks 14, and Hispanics 11. They have like 40K applicants and a couple thousand spots a year. I am sure Asians are not the only ones represented in the 38K denial letters.

I know what the charges are in the lawsuit but I can't claim to have delved into all the details. But ultimately that's not what McWhorter's hitting on here. Basically he's asking should we be changing our admissions standards for schools and Universities because black people supposedly don't do well in math. He says we shouldn't be. That position gets him called a sellout by TTQ64 but is that really the position she wants to argue?

 

[Irish Exit]

I know what the charges are in the lawsuit but I can't claim to have delved into all the details. But ultimately that's not what McWhorter's hitting on here. Basically he's asking should we be changing our admissions standards for schools and Universities because black people supposedly don't do well in math. He says we shouldn't be. That position gets him called a sellout by TTQ64 but is that really the position she wants to argue?

I think it depends on what your school wants/needs. If it wants a kick ass athletic department, it needs to do what it needs to do to get a lot of blacks in the door. If it wants to have the smartest people, it should just have the top people based on academic performance regardless. I personally think of Harvard as wanting to be the cradle of leadership and that would necessarily include diversity as one would want their alum to be leaders across the spectrum. As for AA, I think it had its time and its place in academics. Right now, I feel like it has led to a culture of lower expectations from blacks, which is a disservice, and should be scaled back. Not saying low math scores should be a killer, but if someone is weak in math, they need to be able to demonstrate strength somewhere else.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

So white people were the predominate group since their invasion of this content and had all the chances and yet yell about affirmative action

yet in 2018 this is their kulture
they sure haven't evolved much

 

[cawacko]

So white people were the predominate group since their invasion of this content and had all the chances and yet yell about affirmative action

yet in 2018 this is their kulture
they sure haven't evolved much

Interesting you think black folks shouldn't talk about their culture or issues that affect them. All that matters to you is they vote the way you want them to. Isn't white liberal privilege great guno?

 

[Guno צְבִי]

trump country

 

[cawacko]

trump country

LOL, little one trick pony can't address the OP or what's happening in his sh*thole of a City, NYC. Funny the Mayor's son called the school system racist because some Asian kids said he only got into the Ivy's because of AA.

 

[leaningright]

So white people were the predominate group since their invasion of this content and had all the chances and yet yell about affirmative action

yet in 2018 this is their kulture
they sure haven't evolved much

I would change the caption...This Is What Happens When People ... (plug in any of the following to complete the phrase)

Are Irresponsible
Refuse To Work
Fall On Hard Times w/o Family
Choose To Rely Solely On What The Government Gives Them

There are other completions to that meme, and they apply to people of alll colors.

My point is that not everyone’s story is the same. As to the original meme, if you want to claim they lost their “white privilege” then that assumes they had it at some time. So a better conclusion is “when white people don’t take advantage of their privilege.”

But again, everyone’s story isn’t the same.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Why are Asians suing Harvard then? They right wingers?

The plaintiffs (which, in this case, is not all asians as a group) are being used by the right in furtherance of their goal of eliminating diversity policies. Mostly to the benefit of white people, but the optics look better if they claim to truly be defenders of the little guy. I assume the plaintiffs are probably hand selected by right wingers, and being given a lot of funding and aid in furtherance of the cause.

You know now that I think about it, there is a pretty good argument that legacy admissions are unconstitutional. As race is a protected class under the constitution, and legacy admissions have the effect of benefiting ethnic groups that have been present longer at the expense of those that haven't (in fact, that's the entire reason they were established in the first place, the Ivy League was mad that so many Jews were being admitted in the early 20th century).

 

[cawacko]

The plaintiffs (which, in this case, is not all asians as a group) are being used by the right in furtherance of their goal of eliminating diversity policies. Mostly to the benefit of white people, but the optics look better if they claim to truly be defenders of the little guy. I assume the plaintiffs are probably hand selected by right wingers, and being given a lot of funding and aid in furtherance of the cause.

You know now that I think about it, there is a pretty good argument that legacy admissions are unconstitutional. As race is a protected class under the constitution, and legacy admissions have the effect of benefiting ethnic groups that have been present longer at the expense of those that haven't (in fact, that's the entire reason they were established in the first place, the Ivy League was mad that so many Jews were being admitted in the early 20th century).

LOL, nice try WM. So you don't know anything about the case. Same thing happens at UC's in Cali. Asians get turned away

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

According to the law suit Harvard assigned points based on race. Black and Hispanic got positive points and Asians got a large number of negative points.

They did have a good point about Asians being down rated heavily in personality assessments, may point to anti-asian bias on the part of the examiners. However I do not in general think the practice of considering diversity in student selection is bad (although I do oppose quotas, and that practice is in fact prohibited now I believe).

 

[cawacko]

They did have a good point about Asians being down rated heavily in personality assessments, may point to anti-asian bias on the part of the examiners. However I do not in general think the practice of considering diversity in student selection is bad (although I do oppose quotas, and that practice is in fact prohibited now I believe).

As the author points out, essentially what's being argued is blacks and Hispanics can't compete in subjects like math and therefore we should change the way we do admissions. Do you believe they can't compete? I don't

 

[TTQ64]

I know what the charges are in the lawsuit but I can't claim to have delved into all the details. But ultimately that's not what McWhorter's hitting on here. Basically he's asking should we be changing our admissions standards for schools and Universities because black people supposedly don't do well in math. He says we shouldn't be. That position gets him called a sellout by TTQ64 but is that really the position she wants to argue?

I'm calling him a sell out for repeating this lie.

Affirmative Action was created because racist white males wouldn't let Black and other minorities in their schools.

 

[TTQ64]

I think it depends on what your school wants/needs. If it wants a kick ass athletic department, it needs to do what it needs to do to get a lot of blacks in the door. If it wants to have the smartest people, it should just have the top people based on academic performance regardless. I personally think of Harvard as wanting to be the cradle of leadership and that would necessarily include diversity as one would want their alum to be leaders across the spectrum. As for AA, I think it had its time and its place in academics. Right now, I feel like it has led to a culture of lower expectations from blacks, which is a disservice, and should be scaled back. Not saying low math scores should be a killer, but if someone is weak in math, they need to be able to demonstrate strength somewhere else.

This is absurd.

AA helped more white women get into college than any minority.

 

[TTQ64]

Don't worry cawacky, you're party will eliminate AA once and for all.

That should make racist white men happy to be able to discriminate again.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

As the author points out, essentially what's being argued is blacks and Hispanics can't compete in subjects like math and therefore we should change the way we do admissions. Do you believe they can't compete? I don't

Blacks are definitely better educated now than they were in the Jim Crow era, so there has been a lot of improvement. I think Obama also set a huge positive example for blacks, he's the role model for most of an entire generation of black kids, and he's erudite, intelligent, and college educated. When Obama first ran for a seat in the house in a black district, he lost in a landslide because he was accused of being overeducated and not black enough. Now he is as black as it gets.

The generational mindset of inherent inferiority that affected the black population, and was perpetuated by white racists, kept them down. I think there's a lot of untapped potential there. There may be inherent intelligence differences among groups but I don't think current IQ tests scores accurately represent its extent.

 

[cawacko]

I'm calling him a sell out for repeating this lie.

Affirmative Action was created because racist white males wouldn't let Black and other minorities in their schools.

Where did he say that in his article? Where did he say anything about why AA was created?

 

[cawacko]

Don't worry cawacky, you're party will eliminate AA once and for all.

That should make racist white men happy to be able to discriminate again.

You didn't even read the article. You have no idea what he's discussing thus you make ignorant statements like that.

 

[TTQ64]

Where did he say that in his article? Where did he say anything about why AA was created?

"Basically he's asking should we be changing our admissions standards for schools and Universities because black people supposedly don't do well in math. He says we shouldn't be."

This lesson is for you and the rest of the racist klan who misrepresent AA.

Affirmative Action was created because racist white males wouldn't let Black and other minorities in their schools.