injured woman pleads "dont call an ambulance"

Fentoine Lum said:
Damn, sounds like insurance.
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No, it sounds like freeloading and gold digging. Insurance, in it's true sense, allows those doing he insuring to deny the purchase of coverage if they deem the risk is too much and if you don't have coverage, you don't get care.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Yes, you're in the very lucky group. That's where your air of entitlement arises from. Ignorance.
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Perhaps you should look up the word luck. Your statement assumes I did absolutely nothing to get what I have. Typical left winger jealous of someone that earned more than him.

I find the harder I work the luckier I get.

I'm not entitled to anything but what I've earned. That's not arrogance, that's getting what you deserve.

Ignorance is thinking you deserve something for which you have no claim.
 
From the article:
The chief of Boston EMS, Jim Hooley, told the publication the cost of an ambulance transporting people within the city is between $1,200 to $1,900.

"We just worry about taking care of people," Hooley said. "We don't want to cause them more stress. We just want to reassure them that nothing bad is going to happen to them because of their inability to pay."
 
We are way overdue for universal healthcare. It costs a hell of a lot less and covers all. We don't do it because PHARM and medical industry set their own prices and love ,love tons of money. A big chunk of the money would come from ending the VA. Vets could go to any doctor or hospital like anyone else. Most would be disappointed because the VA provides great care.

All the money you spend on health insurance would go to health care. Isn't that a lot more efficient ? We would have competition in PHARM, with bidding ,

It is logical and right.
 
Nordberg said:
We are way overdue for universal healthcare. It costs a hell of a lot less and covers all. We don't do it because PHARM and medical industry set their own prices and love ,love tons of money. A big chunk of the money would come from ending the VA. Vets could go to any doctor or hospital like anyone else. Most would be disappointed because the VA provides great care.

All the money you spend on health insurance would go to health care. Isn't that a lot more efficient ? We would have competition in PHARM, with bidding ,

It is logical and right.
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And therefore the big money interests and their dupes the contards will fight it tooth and nail as they've always done.
 
CFM said:
No, it sounds like freeloading and gold digging. Insurance, in it's true sense, allows those doing he insuring to deny the purchase of coverage if they deem the risk is too much and if you don't have coverage, you don't get care.
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We pretty much know profiteering when we see it, thanks. Sports team owners are an example of freeloading and gold digging, you pay for their cathedrals and stadiums.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
And therefore the big money interests and their dupes the contards will fight it tooth and nail as they've always done.
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Canadians pay less for american pharma products then do we since they're able to negotiate based upon volume/their single payer system. In conjunction, our prices are raised to make up the "loss".
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
And therefore the big money interests and their dupes the contards will fight it tooth and nail as they've always done.
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yeah, they would. Obama faced that and had to water health care down . It was start. Trump and the Repubs love a system they all know will bankrupt us. They are solving that. They are cutting taxes over and over to make the debt so huge, that they can justify ending all social programs that are not for the rich. it is the plan., Cold, cruel and injurious to the masses, but a boon to the top 1 percent.
 
Hello evince,

evince said:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/w...national-attention/ar-AAzxDpI?ocid=spartandhp
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My heart goes out to this woman. And she is so honorable she doesn't want treatment because she can't afford it. Only thinking of making sure she doesn't incur expenses she has no way to pay for.

If this happened to Donald Trump he would want the fastest and greatest medial care possible - and he would sue the Transit Authority to pay for it.

So you have one mentality not wanting to force people to do things she can't pay for, and then you have the other kind of mentality which demands everything and then demands that somebody else pays for it.
 
The decision that woman makes, is one poor people make every day. they cannot afford doctors. they cannot afford medicines. They go without care. Some wait until they are in bad shape and go to emergency. Emergency just has to stabilize them., I was at emergency a couple months ago and a woman close to us was informed that they did not accept her insurance. She was suffering heart trouble. They called around to find a hospital that would. It was not close. She had to find her way across town.
 
CFM said:
We don't need it. At least I don't need it. I pay nothing for my premiums, very little for my family, and my out of pocket max/year is $1000. Since I don't give a fuck about you and whether or not you have it, that's where it ends with my concern.
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The epitome of conservatard greed
 
Nordberg said:
The decision that woman makes, is one poor people make every day. they cannot afford doctors. they cannot afford medicines. They go without care. Some wait until they are in bad shape and go to emergency. Emergency just has to stabilize them., I was at emergency a couple months ago and a woman close to us was informed that they did not accept her insurance. She was suffering heart trouble. They called around to find a hospital that would. It was not close. She had to find her way across town.
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No way.
That has been illegal since Reagan.
 
Nordberg said:
The decision that woman makes, is one poor people make every day. they cannot afford doctors. they cannot afford medicines. They go without care. Some wait until they are in bad shape and go to emergency. Emergency just has to stabilize them., I was at emergency a couple months ago and a woman close to us was informed that they did not accept her insurance. She was suffering heart trouble. They called around to find a hospital that would. It was not close. She had to find her way across town.
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How can that be in this case? This woman lives in one of the most liberal blue states in America. The home of Dead Ted Kennedy and Elizabeth Warren. It is Democrat heaven.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Surely you jest, ours is the bestest ever, why, it is american after all.

New York, N.Y., October 8, 2015 — The U.S. spent more per person on health care than 12 other high-income nations in 2013, while seeing the lowest life expectancy and some of the worst health outcomes among this group, according to a Commonwealth Fund report out today. The analysis shows that in the U.S., which spent an average of $9,086 per person annually, life expectancy was 78.8 years. Switzerland, the second-highest-spending country, spent $6,325 per person and had a life expectancy of 82.9 years. Mortality rates for cancer were among the lowest in the U.S., but rates of chronic conditions, obesity, and infant mortality were higher than those abroad.
“Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits,” said Commonwealth Fund President David Blumenthal, M.D. “We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity.”
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/pub...spends-more-on-health-care-than-other-nations

U.S. Healthcare Ranked Dead Last Compared To 10 Other Countries
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmun...-compared-to-10-other-countries/#486bbd6f576f

Major Findings
• Quality: The indicators of quality were grouped into four categories: effective care, safe care, coordinated care, and patient-centered care. Compared with the other 10 countries, the U.S. fares best on provision and receipt of preventive and patient-centered care. While there has been some improvement in recent years, lower scores on safe and coordinated care pull the overall U.S. quality score down. Continued adoption of health information technology should enhance the ability of U.S. physicians to identify, monitor, and coordinate care for their patients, particularly those with chronic conditions.
• Access: Not surprisingly—given the absence of universal coverage—people in the U.S. go without needed health care because of cost more often than people do in the other countries. Americans were the most likely to say they had access problems related to cost. Patients in the U.S. have rapid access to specialized health care services; however, they are less likely to report rapid access to primary care than people in leading countries in the study. In other countries, like Canada, patients have little to no financial burden, but experience wait times for such specialized services. There is a frequent misperception that trade-offs between universal coverage and timely access to specialized services are inevitable; however, the Netherlands, U.K., and Germany provide universal coverage with low out-of-pocket costs while maintaining quick access to specialty services.
• Efficiency: On indicators of efficiency, the U.S. ranks last among the 11 countries, with the U.K. and Sweden ranking first and second, respectively. The U.S. has poor performance on measures of national health expenditures and administrative costs as well as on measures of administrative hassles, avoidable emergency room use, and duplicative medical testing. Sicker survey respondents in the U.K. and France are less likely to visit the emergency room for a condition that could have been treated by a regular doctor, had one been available.
• Equity: The U.S. ranks a clear last on measures of equity. Americans with below-average incomes were much more likely than their counterparts in other countries to report not visiting a physician when sick; not getting a recommended test, treatment, or follow-up care; or not filling a prescription or skipping doses when needed because of costs. On each of these indicators, one-third or more lower-income adults in the U.S. said they went without needed care because of costs in the past year.
• Healthy lives: The U.S. ranks last overall with poor scores on all three indicators of healthy lives—mortality amenable to medical care, infant mortality, and healthy life expectancy at age 60. The U.S. and U.K. had much higher death rates in 2007 from conditions amenable to medical care than some of the other countries, e.g., rates 25 percent to 50 percent higher than Australia and Sweden. Overall, France, Sweden, and Switzerland rank highest on healthy lives.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror

No other advanced country even comes close to the United States in annual spending on health care, but plenty of those other countries see much better outcomes in their citizens' actual health overall.
A new Commonwealth Fund report released Thursday underscored that point — yet again — with an analysis that ranks 13 high-income nations on their overall health spending, use of medical services, prices and health outcomes.
The study data, which is from 2013, predates the full implementation of Obamacare, which took place in 2014. Obamacare is designed to increase health coverage for Americans and stem the rise in health-care costs.
The findings indicate that despite spending well in excess of the rate of any other of those countries in 2013, the United States achieved worse outcomes when it comes to rates of chronic conditions, obesity and infant mortality.
One rare bright spot for the U.S., however, is that its mortality rate for cancer is among the lowest out of the 13 countries, and that cancer rates fell faster between 1995 and 2007 than in other countries.
"Time and again, we see evidence that the amount of money we spend on health care in this country is not gaining us comparable health benefits," said Dr. David Blumenthal, president of the Commonwealth Fund. "We have to look at the root causes of this disconnect and invest our health-care dollars in ways that will allow us to live longer while enjoying better health and greater productivity."
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/08/us-health-care-spending-is-high-results-arenot-so-good.html

Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0910064#t=article

Health Care Outcomes in States Influenced by Coverage, Disparities
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-in-states-influenced-by-coverage-disparities

One explanation for the health disadvantage of the United States relative to other high-income countries might be deficiencies in health services. Although the United States is renowned for its leadership in biomedical research, its cutting-edge medical technology, and its hospitals and specialists, problems with ensuring Americans’ access to the system and providing quality care have been a long-standing concern of policy makers and the public (Berwick et al., 2008; Brook, 2011b; Fineberg, 2012). Higher mortality rates from diseases, and even from transportation-related injuries and homicides, may be traceable in part to failings in the health care system.
The United States stands out from many other countries in not offering universal health insurance coverage. In 2010, 50 million people (16 percent of the U.S. population) were uninsured (DeNavas-Walt et al., 2011). Access to health care services, particularly in rural and frontier communities or disadvantaged urban centers, is often limited. The United States has a relatively weak foundation for primary care and a shortage of family physicians (American Academy of Family Physicians, 2009; Grumbach et al., 2009; Macinko et al., 2007; Sandy et al., 2009). Many Americans rely on emergency departments for acute, chronic, and even preventive care (Institute of Medicine, 2007a; Schoen et al., 2009b, 2011). Cost sharing is common in the United States, and high out-of-pocket expenses make health care services, pharmaceuticals, and medical supplies increasingly unaffordable (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011; Karaca-Mandic et al., 2012). In 2011, one-third of American households reported problems paying medical bills (Cohen et al., 2012), a problem that seems to have worsened in recent years (Himmelstein et al., 2009). Health insurance premiums are consuming an increasing proportion of U.S. household income (Commonwealth Fund Commission on a High Performance System, 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK154484/

Once again, U.S. has most expensive, least effective health care system in survey
A report released Monday by a respected think tank ranks the United States dead last in the quality of its health-care system when compared with 10 other western, industrialized nations, the same spot it occupied in four previous studies by the same organization. Not only did the U.S. fail to move up between 2004 and 2014 -- as other nations did with concerted effort and significant reforms -- it also has maintained this dubious distinction while spending far more per capita ($8,508) on health care than Norway ($5,669), which has the second most expensive system.
"Although the U.S. spends more on health care than any other country and has the highest proportion of specialist physicians, survey findings indicate that from the patients’ perspective, and based on outcome indicators, the performance of American health care is severely lacking," the Commonwealth Fund, a New York-based foundation that promotes improved health care, concluded in its extensive analysis. The charts in this post are from the report.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...care-system-in-survey/?utm_term=.3bea55276072

US healthcare system ranks 50th out of 55 countries for efficiency
http://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-50th-out-of-55-countries-for-efficiency.html

The U.S. healthcare system notched another dubious honor in a new comparison of its quality to the systems of 10 other developed countries: its rank was dead last.
The new study by the Commonwealth Fund ranks the U.S. against seven wealthy European countries and Canada, Australia and New Zealand. It's a follow-up of previous surveys published in 2010, 2007, 2006 and 2004, in all of which the U.S. also ranked last.
Although the U.S. ranked in the middle of the pack on measures of effectiveness, safety and coordination of care, it ranked dead last on access and cost, by a sufficient margin to rank dead last overall. The breakdowns are in the chart above.
Conservative pundits hastened to explain away these results after the report was published. See Aaron Carroll for a gloss on the "zombie arguments" put forth against the clear evidence that the U.S. system falls short.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-the-us-healthcare-system-20140617-column.html

U.S. Health Care Ranked Worst in the Developed World
http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/
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Yes, said in a jesting manner. Gallows humor as it were.
 
Rune said:
Must have been non-emergency
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I found the hard way, even if it’s an emergency if the hospital, doctor, etc is out of network the insurance company won’t pay. I just forked over $3200.00 to an emergency room in Kansas because they were out of network. There was no other facility for 50 miles, it didn’t matter. My insurance wouldn’t pay. Insurance can be such a scam.
 
Phantasmal said:
I found the hard way, even if it’s an emergency if the hospital, doctor, etc is out of network the insurance company won’t pay. I just forked over $3200.00 to an emergency room in Kansas because they were out of network. There was no other facility for 50 miles, it didn’t matter. My insurance wouldn’t pay. Insurance can be such a scam.
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That is why I always keep a goat and chickens on the boats. Just in case one is overseas and has to barter with a local doctor............
 
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