Hello Uncensored2008,
Hi PoliTalker, hope you and yours are doing well..
Quite well, thanks, and I hope the best for yourself and yours also.
I agree that you seem genuine in not being consumed with the hatred that defines the left for the most part. Still, most of the left, the overwhelming majority, is in the mold of Nomad or Frank Apisa
Like the rear view mirror, your perception and reality may not be the same. Objects may appear more hateful than they really are. Could some of that hateful appearance be a reaction to hate on the opposite side? Which is a reaction to hate on the opposite side? And round and round it goes just like the Hatfields and McCoys until they can't even remember what started it?
Nowhere in that clip or anywhere else does President Obama say he wants to destroy the United States. Also recall that many things were said about Obama which proved to be false. He did not take away everybody's guns, nor did he dress up school kids in brown shirts to have them salute him Nazi style.
I don't agree.
Crony Capitalism is most on display with people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos, both far left who maintain their positions through aid from the government. Musk particularly is little more than a welfare queen who has bilked the American taxpayer for billions of dollars.
Simply put, cronyism is not capitalism, it is a feature of redistributionist leftism.
Of course it is. Just as much as it is a feature of the right. The propaganda of each side exclaims loudly how bad the other side is. Guess where that propaganda comes from? Big money. That's where.
Crony capitalism is not a left/right issue, but the oligarchs of both the left and the right use examples from the opposing side to publicize the message that: "They [the opposing side] are against this!" When actually the oligarchs are all for it when it benefits them. Poor people don't pay for propaganda. It is always the rich. It is part of the Class War. The Class War is not fought along traditional left-right boundaries.
People who actively are trying to kill you and destroy those you actually love are evil. To love evil is to be evil.
We believe differently on this. I don't think 'evil' exists. Are there really bad people who do really bad things? Of course there are. But to think they are linked by some kind of negative supernatural intelligence? Nope. I don't believe that. You would have to believe in a God for that. I don't happen to. I believe there are scientific explanations for why people do things. I would suspect it has to do with their life experiences from birth until the moment they do the objectionable thing.
Hardly. As William Buckley put it, "A conservative is just a liberal who has been mugged."
And that's humorous. But it is at best a gross over-simplification, if not flatly wrong. Different people have different reasons for believing what they do. I was once conservative. I buck the other popular and equally incorrect saying also. I was a conservative as a young person, and gradually became more liberal and progressive. I was raised to think conservative meant the right way to do things. The more aware I became the less sense that made to me. Eventually I just went with logic and what made sense. The left wants the best situation for society. The right wants to preserve more personal freedoms, but often those freedoms include the freedom to take advantage of others. The right wants the freedom to perpetrate the Class War. The left says that's wrong, but then they often do it too.
It's easy to proclaim altruism and brother love from the safety behind ivy covered walls, surrounded by adoring students and fellow academicians who never question dogma. It is a far different issue to proclaim love of those beat and starve you as the Communists of North Korea and Venezuela do to their victims.
Difficult, yes. But not impossible; as Nelson Mandella and others have proved.
You're not paying attention then. The left doesn't disagree with the right, they hate us. They want to crush us, to enslave us, to kill us.
That's what you say. I and many others on the left do not say that.
America is divided not between groups with differing political views held in good faith, but between Normals and a left that hates us.
I thought you said you were radicalized. And you cannot show that the entire left, or even a strong percentage, hates the right. You could give examples which support your contention till you are blue in the face. There are 320 million+ people in this country. At least half of them are the left. To say that the left hates you with only few exceptions would be to say that you believe 160 million people in this country wish to crush you, enslave you, kill you. That simply cannot be supported with examples and you can find no scientific poll which yields that result. Somewhere along the line there is a flaw in the reasoning which produced that belief. If not several.
I know people on the left and on the right. People I consider friends. People who value me, invite me to things, want to include me. They don't think I hate them. I don't think they hate me.
Talking heads who need to be controversial tend to exaggerate things because that model gets them more attention, sells more advertising. Did you know that the best design for a show to sell advertising presents the listeners/viewers with something very stirring, something likely to get an emotional response, at just the moment they cut to commercial? Do you know why they do that? Because they have determined that is the best state of mind to show you the commercial. That is when people are most receptive. The best case is if somebody is so transfixed by what they have just seen, that they forget to hit the mute button.
You can't take what the talking heads say as exactly accurate. Especially the ones forced by the system to say the most outrageous things.
You have contradicted yourself. If 'America is divided not between groups with differing political views held in good faith, but between Normals and a left that hates us.' then the divisions ARE left and right. You have identified the divisions as such, and merely tacked your own qualifiers onto the left. It is an easy assumption to believe that everyone on your side sees things just as you do. But that is not necessarily true. Many on the right do not believe the left wants to destroy the USA.
That’s not a pleasant notion, but to pretend that this is business as usual, that we are just friends with a slight disagreement, or that there is some reasonable compromise to be had, is delusional
It doesn't matter who you are. You are going to have someone who hates you. Sometimes simply for being born. It is best to accept that and look for love where it can be found. Hatred will take all it can get. Don't give it an inch.
If Nomad had a button that would kill every Trump supporter in America, the only question would be what kind of beer he would have when he pushed it
Nomad is one person. Your statement is conjecture.
A couple of links to opinion pieces. OPINION! Those are not articles. That is not reporting. To believe opinion over reporting is illogical.
I certainly do disagree with those who seek to enslave or kill me, but it goes a bit beyond that.
I think everyone would disagree with others who seek to enslave them. I simply disagree that this type of enslavement is occurring nor sought.
While their are outliers in any data set, but withing a single standard divination, the population set of the left holds malice toward the middle America I dub normals.
Your vision of middle America and that of others is not the same.
The "right"are the normals, those whom the left so utterly despises. We are woke.
Turn on a TV at 11:00 PM - it doesn't matter what channel, you will be blasted by hatred from Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, scumbag John Oliver, Samantha Bee. All hate, all RADICAL left.
Either all or most of those people made fun of Obama and Hillary too. It's their job. They can't help if Trump is the most bountiful source of comic material since the Stooges.
I find that quaint and naive. In The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia There are term limits here, yet the Ruling Oligarchs installed Jerry Brown for four terms as "in the pocket" Governor. Brown is pliable and completely devoid of character or ethics, perfect for our ruling Oligarchs like Zuckerberg and Cook. Laws don't apply to the left.
The law is just a club the left uses to beat the normals into submission. Ask ANYONE with a security clearance what will happen if they take classified - much less top secret information off of a government server and store it at their home or private server? We would got to prison for decades.
But Felonia Milhouse Von Pantsuit does this and it's a wink and a nod, FSB Agent Peter Strzok who is tasked with investigating her gets busy rigging the election in her favor and creating "insurance policies" should the unimaginable happen,
Oops. I think you just outted yourself as someone from my Ignore List. No matter. I will continue to talk as long as it is civil discourse.
The law needs to apply equally to everyone. That is the basis of our Constitution. But everyone knows that people in power and rich people are able to sometimes get away with things they shouldn't. Once again, that happens on the left and on the right. The power-junkies on both sides don't want you to blame them so they offer up the other side as the scapegoat. Beware the finger-pointers. Ask where the money behind them comes from and where the big profits flow to.
I agree, it's just that the left sees 100% government control as the correct amount.
Not true.
Again, one side seeks to retain our Constitutional Republic under a capitalist economic system that has led to the most benefit for the most people over the last 200 years. The left seeks to crush that system and establish a socialist system that is pimped as more fair, which will exact revenge from whites and Christians to appease to mob.
That's a misnomer. We do not have to choose between capitalism and socialism. We have already blended both, to great success. In that worn out motto, make America great again, the timeframe most think of was the 50's and 60's before hippies, The New Deal and feminism. And even during that time, we had Social Security. And it was popular. VERY popular. Few dared go against it in campaigns. That would be a quick way to lose votes.
We just need to establish which things should be done in a capitalist way and which should be done in a socialist way. I tend to draw the line at basic needs. The things most people need at a basic level in order to fulfill promoting the general welfare. These days that means a home, transportation, an education, health care, an income sufficient to live on, a job they can feel good about, a retirement pension they can live on. Let capitalism take care of everything else, including any upgrades to the minimal provisions of what might be provided in a socialist way. So, if mass transit serves a community efficiently, then a car is a luxury. The mass transit should be done in a socialist way, and providing a nice car should be done in a capitalist way. And so on.
How many Kristalnachs do the ANTIFA Brown Shirts of the DNC need to enage in before we get the message?
There is no such message to get. Anybody who says there is is only expressing an opinion. It is unwise to believe everything one hears. You may be generalizing the left. There needs to be a distinction between the general left and the radical left wing. The entire left is not radical. There are views all along the political spectrum from radical left to moderate left to the middle to moderate right to the radical right.
Meh. Fire is hot, regardless of what anyone claims.
Our "press" is corrupt to the core, flat out dishonest. The press looks at what will serve the party, then gathers facts, rumors, innuendo, or flat out lies to promote the narrative which aids the party.
This is just fact.
No, it is opinion.
Who takes Facebook seriously? It's supposed to be an open forum, like a bar or a park. But the left is openly hostile to freedom of all sorts and seeks to use force to silence ideas that run contrary to the goals of the party.
Bars and parks are not completely open forums. There are always rules. Certain things are not allowed. Personal freedoms must end where they begin to impose upon others.
The left has infected and corrupted all cultural aspects of our society in the quest to put an end to America.
You cannot show that is the predominate goal of the left. All you have to support that is opinion and conjecture.
Facebook becoming a tool of the party and openly hostile to free speech is just the latest move.
Facebook has undergone an evolution since it's inception. Nobody knew what it would become. That is still yet to be ultimately determined. It began as a socialist idea and became a capitalist entity.
